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Imaging RFT

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 18, 2012

We always appreciate feedback from our listeners. Equally we appreciate feedback from our blog however occasionally not all of that is praise and acknowledgement of our greatness.

We received a comment from one such person who took umbrage with one of our images in the last episodes show notes. The image was related to the budget cuts to food inspection agents and enforcement of labeling regulations. The images showed a person in a grocery store looking at products on the shelf with labels reading “zero nutrition puffs”, “colon cancer dogs”, etc. It had the caption “If food products where honestly labeled”.

It was pointed out the that the author of this and other graphics was CounterThink, a site/individual who promotes a lot of ‘woo’ and bad thinking regarding food (if it’s not organic its poison), medicine (if it’s not natural it will kill you), and the whole ‘conspiracy’ of corporations and government to either steal your money, make you sick or just turn you into pliant zombies. He is also the main contributor to “NaturalNews” which is a hodgepodge of alarmist articles on science, health, medicine and politics.

So, let’s start with a mea culpa. I should have done better vetting before having this image on our site.

When we put images on the site they tend to fall into four groups.

1)      Directly educational; that is they provide a graph, diagram or image that represents actual research or data. This is always well vetted.

2)      Candy images; an image that doesn’t say anything or have any meaning besides being somehow related to the article. For example an image of a cartoon bird eating a worm, on a post about worms.

3)      Explanatory humour; those cartoons that are both funny but also make a point about the subject matter. For example, an image about the police state relating to the implications of the G20.

4)      Ironic or mocking humour; those cartoons, often from “bad sources” that are intended to show the farcical nature of their arguments.

Because of our ambiguous views on copyright and the non-profit nature of our enterprise; images are usually sourced out of context and without page attribution (unless it is important to the impact of the image). Images are selected based on our opinion on their impact on our reader, often under time constraints and without regard to their source. We never take credit for the creation of any images on the site that are not ours, nor do we ‘Photoshop’ any attribution embedded in the image.

However, occasionally this can lead us into unintentionally promoting a site that is antithetical to our project. CounterThink, whose attribution has been on a couple of our images, is not something we wish to promote even indirectly. At the time the images seemed okay and made a point. The lack/absence of enforcement of food safety (and other) regulation could make this ‘hypothetical’ possible (if not already).

None of the claims in the image itself were “out there” but in hindsight, I have changed my mind and the images are being removed. Although I don’t think the image itself was bad-thinking, the author promoted bad thinking. Because I do not wish to have images that have been intentionally ‘unattributed’ (i.e. Photoshopped); this source seems inappropriate for Radio Free Thinker. In the future, I hope we will better vet images before inclusion in our site.

That said, CounterThink and NaturalNews sites only re-enforce my message that without proper ENFORCED regulation, sites like these will have more credibility, not because their claims are true but it will be difficult /impossible to honestly say they are wrong…an unaccountable corporation will always put profits ahead of safety if the math works out. The budget cuts (the focus of the segment) also encourages people to be distrustful of ‘official sources’ and rely on ‘alternative’ sources.

 

In the absence of reliable empirical data, how can a person be a good skeptic?

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Math and History United at Last

Posted by Ethan Clow on May 17, 2012

I came across this TED talk by Jean-Baptiste Michel, he’s a Founding Director of Harvard’s Cultural Observatory, where their research team pioneers the use of quantitative methods for the study of human culture, language and history. His talk is quite interesting, he suggests how you can use mathematical formula’s to understand history. This is by itself not a radical idea as its one of the central premises of Steven Pinker’s book, The Better Angels of our Nature.

And we all know there are trends in history that can be tracked mathematically, nevertheless it is an intriguing idea that the development of human civilization could follow a predictable pattern. The implication for this could be huge. Consider our interest in discovering alien civilizations. What if we could add a deeper understanding of how civilizations develop and plot what age that civilization might be in?

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Most Unbelieving Place on Earth? East Germany

Posted by Ethan Clow on May 17, 2012

Where in the world would you find the least religious people? If you said East Germany, you’d be right. Of course since East Germany doesn’t exist anymore, you’d be wrong but still, at least you tried.

No but seriously, apparently the geographic area of Eastern Germany is home to the least religious people in the world. This according to a new study out of the University of Chicago, by sociologist Tom Smith.

You can view the study in PDF here.

What sociologist Smith did was look at survey data on belief in God in 30 countries between 1991 and 2008. (Canada wasn’t included) What he discovered was that the citizens of the former German Democratic Republic have by far the highest rate of atheism at 52.1 percent. The Czech Republic is the most atheist currently existing country at 39.9 percent. They’re followed by the French (23.3 percent), the Dutch (19.7 percent), and the Swedes (19.3 percent). Japan is the country with the lowest percentage of people who say they “know god really exists and have no doubts about it.”  (4.3 percent.)

The most religious country in the survey was the Philippines, where 83.6 percent of people are sure God exists and only 0.7 percent are atheists. The United States, not surprisingly has only a 3 percent rate of atheism and 60.6 percent sure that God exists.

This study is based on The international Social Survey Program (ISSP) which asked three questions – do you believe in God (and ranked them on a 6 point scale) and has your believe in God changed over your life? And finally a ‘agree or disagree’ question about a personal God who cares about human life.

The ISSP Religion studies covered 18 countries in 1991 (counting East and West Germany and Northern Ireland and Great Britain separately), 33 countries in 1998, and 42 countries in 2008.

So this isn’t original research in that Smith devised new methods for documenting religious belief or anything like that. It’s a meta-study where he used existing information and compiled it and hypothesized on why the results came out as they did.

Another thing to consider about this study is that it doesn’t measure how secular a country is, only what the citizens in those countries believe. I think this is an important distinction. If we consider how the United States has secular wording enshrined in its founding documents we might get the assumption that it is a very secular nation, of course, as this study shows, the citizens of the United States are overwhelmingly religious.

What’s also interesting is how this data compares to what many of us have thought about previous demographics regarding religious belief. Many of assumed that the Scandinavian countries were the most atheist but Sweden is fifth on the list of general unbelief.

In general, reliable studies seem to indicated a general downward trend of worldwide religious belief, especially in the industrialized west. For example, global poll conducted by Angus Reid in 2006 found that over the past twenty or so years, religious belief has become less important, especially for Canadians and Europeans.

Sweden is interesting because religion there functions a fair bit differently than we might expect. A Gallop poll in 2009 found that only 17% of Swedes consider religion an important aspect of their lives. Despite the fact that about 70% of the population of Sweden are members of the Church of Sweden. What this would imply is that religious membership serves more as a cultural or even community service and seems to have less effect on the decisions people make.

Given the difference in polls and surveys (Phil Zuckerman writes that some figures range from 17% to 85% of Swedes might be atheists) we can probably assume some general things about religious belief for the Swedes, and since the new study by Smith doesn’t include new research we will have to take those numbers with some skepticism as its apparent that any of these figures are estimations and subject to change.

One thing that we should be curious about is why is Eastern Germany so full of atheists? One could make the argument that it’s the combined influence of National Socialism and Communist control over the area for the 60 or so years from the 30’s to the 80’s. Arguably, this is a good answer. When you combine the wartime horrors by the National Socialists (some of the worst which occurred in Eastern Europe) it could explain why a pessimism for religion fostered. And then when you add the Communist repression of religion to the mix, it actually makes perfect sense.

But researchers also suggest that many Slavic and non-Orthodox communities present in the area since the Middle Ages were nonreligious; that the secularization movements during the Weimar Republic (1918-1933) were particularly strong in the states of Thuringia and Saxony; that the resistance of most DDR dissidents to the church was not seen, unlike the way it was perceived in Catholic Poland, as specifically religiously motivated.

Meaning, the people who have lived there for thousands of years were never fully converted. Or at least, we might say never drank the kool-aid.

Another potential explanation would be the historic tug of war Catholicism and Protestantism had over Germany. To this day the country is fairly evenly split down Catholic and Protestant lines. During the Reformation, Protestantism appealed to many of the local authority figures as a way to steal power from the Catholic Church and centralize their own power base. While this process didn’t exactly help the secular humanism angle, it did in a way help by breaking down the imperial nature of Catholicism.

By having a religion that was essentially localized to your community and nation and not beholden to a Pope in a far off place, people were able to take a more direct and active role in religion. One of the first steps in moving towards secularism is breaking that spell of subservience to a higher power. Certainly the Reformation broke that spell in relation to the subservience to Rome and the Pope.

And let’s not forget the devastation of the wars of religion that erupted because of the Reformation. Having three decades of warfare can sour you on belief in God when everywhere you look someone is waiting to kill you for not believing in their version of God.

 

 

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Radio Freethinker Episode 166 – SkyTrain Fare-ness Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 15, 2012

This week:

- Apostate Norway,
- A most atheist country ,
- Religion and sports don’t mix,
- The Vatican Bubble,
- SkyTrain Fare-Gates.

Download the episode here!

Topics:
Apostate Norway

Norway this week moved to change its constitution by removing reference to Norway as a Christian nation and cutting links between the state and the Church of Norway. A vote to happen Monday is expected to pass easily because even the Christian Democrats and the Conservative party supports this move.

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A most atheist country

We discuss the recent meta study that showed the strength of atheism and religion among nations with some surprising discoveries

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Religion and sports don’t mix

We give a brief overview about a controversy in Arizona where a catholic charter school refused to play the championship game because there was a girl on the opposition team.

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The Vatican Bubble

The Vatican has recently asked board members of its BioEthical committee to resign because the dared to ask scientific advice from non-catholics.

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SkyTrain Fare-Gates

We discuss the controversy regarding the soon to be installed fare-gates at SkyTrain stations with the aim of reducing ‘fair evasion’. We discuss how cost effective this tactic is, who is its target and ultimately are there better solutions to the issue of funding public mass transit in the GVRD.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Vancouver Earth Run

The 2012 Vancouver Earth Run will focus on the oceans. All proceeds will go to nonprofit organizations in the Vancouver area that work toward better understanding and management of our marine resources.

Where: Jericho Beach, Vancouver
When: Sunday, June 3, 2012
Cost:

$25 for the 5K run/walk
$35 for the 10K race

Tutankhamun: The Golden King and the Great Pharaohs
At Pacific Science Center in Seattle – May 24, 2012-January 6, 2013
The exhibition features more than 100 objects from King Tut’s tomb and ancient sites representing some of the most important rulers throughout 2,000 years of ancient Egyptian history. Tickets range from 24 to $27 depending on when you go.

Skeptics in the Pub – Down-town

Join us on Tuesday, May 15 at 7:30pm for another evening of skeptical fun, food, drinks, and conversation in the Railway Club’s back bar. Come out and discuss skepticism-related activities in Vancouver with your fellow science enthusiasts, rationalists, and critical thinkers, and maybe meet some new friends. As always, if you arrive late and they’re collecting a cover charge at the door, just tell them you’re with the skeptics’ group to get in for free.

Where: The Railway Club, 579 Dunsmuir Street, Vancouver
When: Thursday, May 15, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

Skeptics in the Pub Richmond

Skeptics in the Pub is a casual social event for local science enthusiasts who value critical thinking and skepticism.

Join us for drinks and food in a friendly atmosphere. It’s a great place to meet local skeptics, make new friends, and get involved and informed about new events and activities.

Where: Legends Pub in Richmond, 6511 Buswell Street, minutes from the Brighouse Skytrain station and Richmond Centre
When: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

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Catholic School Takes Their ball and Goes Home.

Posted by Ethan Clow on May 15, 2012

We here on Radio Freethinker have justly criticized Catholicism for some rather shocking, illegal or suspicious behaviour but perhaps as a first, we can criticize them for being bad sportsmen.

You would expect that baseball would be pretty far down the list of things for religious fundamentalists to get worked up over but amazingly we have this story out of Phoenix, where a young second base player has apparently stirred up controversy by having the audacity to be female.

Paige Sultzbach, who plays second base for Mesa Preparatory Academy, a high school in Phoenix, was preparing for the big game – in this case the Arizona Charter Athletic Association state championship at Phoenix College.  However, her chance never came as Mesa Preparatory Academy’s opponent for the Championship game, (the aptly named) Our Lady of Sorrows – forfeited the game. Now why on earth would they do this?

Our Lady of Sorrows is run by the U.S. branch of the Society of Saint Pius X, a group of conservative, traditionalist priests who disagree with the reforms of the Vatican II Council in the 1960s and broke with the Catholic Church in the 1980s. They take a hard line conservative opinions on most issues, including girls playing sports.

Earlier in the season, Our Lady of Sorrows played Mesa Preparatory Academy (and lost both times) but during those games Paige Sultzbach voluntarily sat out. She sat out of respect for Our Lady of Sorrow’s beliefs (and if we could take a moment to acknowledge how humble Sultzbach was in that, showing a lot more patience than many of us would) Nevertheless, she wasn’t going to sit out the championship game and everyone (expect Lady of Sorrows) seems to acknowledge that she went above and beyond the “reasonable accommodation” point.

Sorrows, has declined to comment on the situation but has issued a written statement saying their decision to back out of the game was consistent with their policy of co-ed sports.

“Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls. Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty.”

And what better way to respect women, than to treat them like delicate flowers. By separating girls and boys the way Sorrows is doing is to suggest that boys and girls are not only different, but that one is inherently more weak. Women need to be treated differently because they don’t have the stamina and heartiness of men. Of course that’s only one angle we could consider. Perhaps Sorrows believes that one of their players will hit a fly ball, attempt to steal second base and accidentally impregnate the girl.

I’d like to include a quote from Charles P. Pierce at Grantland

“Completely by accident, Paige and her teammates had found themselves caught in a dark, dank corner of reactionary Christianity, which admits no light, no warmth, only the cold, dead past, and which stinks of prejudice, decaying dogma, and the worst social offal of the 20th century. There’s not a lick of Catholic doctrine that would forbid men and women from playing baseball against each other. There is nothing in the Gospels that would remotely touch upon the situation, and not even St. Paul, that censorious old blatherskite, said anything that can be stretched plausibly to forbid it, and people have been known to use Paul’s Epistles like taffy to marshal their arguments.”

What’s also interesting is that Christians will be busy getting worked up over the latest Gay Marriage news, or something Richard Dawkins does, or if someone steals a Jesus cracker and yet we won’t see any protests or outrage over what Our Lady of Sorrow’s has done.

 

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The Department of Science

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 13, 2012

Well, it looks like we’ve finally done it. It’s a high bar to clear but we made it. What, you may ask? Well, at least in one regard, Canada is more  screwed up than the USA.

I was reading in the Ottawa Herald about the difficulty one reporter had to get a simple interview with a Canadian scientist in the employ of government…well-funded by the National Research Council.

Apparently the reporter Tom Spears heard of some research NASA was doing to measure snow fall. He had learned that NASA had teamed up with Environment Canada, the NRC and several universities to fly through and over falling snow in southern Ontario this winter. It used specialized equipment to analyse falling snow in different weather conditions.

He contacted NASA and was talking to one of the research scientist in “15 min”. Now being a proud Canadian, Spears wanted to get the Canadian angles which he though would be interesting considering the large contribution we had made to the project.

In the USA, he could just contact the scientist directly and conduct an informative interview…Harper put an end to that tom foolery. To talk to a government related scientist (employed by or funded via research grants from agencies like the NRC) in Canada, you have to put in a request with a federal department; which he did. After waiting about 2 days, Spears had to publish without his interview or the information he was hoping to include. He did receive some bland generic talking points and an inventory of the plane.

Curious about how the agency handled his request, he filed a Freedom of Information Request and received over 50 pages dealing with his simple request. The long and the short of it, the lower government agents wanted to arrange an interview promptly but were shot down by more senior management who thought it not appropriate and simply wanted to give a paragraph or 4 about the technical details…i.e. what type of plane, the instruments, etc.

Junior agents pointed out that was not really what the reporter wanted, which it was not, but followed orders. Spear just wanted to ask “So why study snow? Is Ontario snow special? do we have special knowledge on this, what is the state of Canadian snow science?” That sort of thing; he was hoping to place a spot light on our scientists and their work. Spear wrote his story with only a perfunctory nod to the NRC participation and not the human interest or nationalist angle he was hoping for.

In an ironic twist, the document he received mentioned the departments reaction to the published article commenting on how the NRC was only mentioned in passing once and the absence of any mention about the Canadian scientific contribution to the project…but that was okay, the journalist didn’t really want anything more than confirmation of the NRC involvement…which was NOT what he wanted.

As a good skeptic I was both dismayed and alarmed by this story. It seems the default position of our government is to provide as little information as possible. There was no political agenda here, no sensitive or controversial material…it just seemed the bureaucrats, taking their lead from their ruler Harper, thought that the less the people know what the government is doing the better.

This leads to a bigger question…why are we muzzling Canadian scientist?

This is not an isolated event, there have been a number of incidences where the Harper government has directly told scientist to NOT speak to reporters. In fact at a recent Montreal conference, Harper added intimidation to the list of ways to NOT inform the people. Attendees were told NOT to grant interviews and to pass along any request to a ‘press agent’ of the NRC who would arrange things. Also, the NRC ‘press agents’ would record everything said…‘for clarification and reference in case there is a discrepancy between the news story and the official line’.

Since the Conservative government won its majority there has been a constant attack on environmental and regulatory entities both in and out of government. Our scientist are some of the best in the world and have been doing great research into many important areas including a number inconvenient to the Harper agenda – climate change, fish farms, environmental health, etc.

Now there is a great political argument to be made against this erosion of our access to OUR OWN science and scientists…that the Harper government is more secretive than the North Korean politburo but I will put that aside for the moment.

What makes this important for the skeptical community is that to be a good skeptic one must be informed. Scientific skepticism is based on empirical evidence and when that is denied to us we can no longer be assured that the answers we derive or support are authentically rational. The free and open flow of information is (almost?) always the best way to run society ESPECIALLY scientific information. An election is 3 years away…there is little we can do now to reverse this governmental trend but we can ensure people know what Harper et al are doing. We can and must ensure that when Elections 2015 rolls around; WE DO NOT FORGET!

<notes found in Ep 163>

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More than tradition medicine

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 11, 2012

As you know we don’t have a high opinion of “alternative medicine”. That often includes things that are classified as “natural” or “traditional” medicine. We tend to deride them as unproven claptrap. In the famous quote “When traditional medical claims are shown to be effective, they become simply medicine”. Traditional Medicine is simply wannabe treatment at best and outright dangerous, at worse.

Well, in an odd confluence of aims, Australia has added proof to the dangers of ‘traditional Chinese medicine” although I would not limit this to Chinese but any ‘traditional or natural’ medicine. In an effort to show the power and efficacy of a new DNA reading technique, a team of scientists tested samples of traditional Chinese medicine to find out what was really in them.

The technique itself is well tested, what the researchers were trying to do was show the cost effectiveness of using this method compared to other methods. The actual results were both secondary and illuminating.

Now if you are a devotee of traditional Chinese medicine you may find this interesting and… perhaps disturbing. What they saw I must confess did not surprise me. A number of the ‘concoctions’ included endangered or threatened species such as the “Asiatic black bear” and the “Black Rhino” .

This is not surprising because a major tenant of Chinese or any traditional medicine is based on the pre-civilized idea of sympathetic magic. That is if your junk’s in a funk, you ingest the essence…be it the genitalia or heart…of a powerful creature…like a rhino, bear or lion…you will absorb that creature’s power. Forgive my bluntness, but that is stupid thinking. IF you believe this I remind you that plutonium is the most powerful of elements, ingest some and tell me if you theory works.

Okay, back to the traditional medicine. As I said, it is sad but not unexpected that some simple minded people will kill or exterminate a species based upon such ‘bad thinking’ however there was more to this story than what we as ‘good’ skeptics often harp upon.

It turns out that those who create such concoctions are not the most ethical people in the world. DNA testing showed that pure “Saiga antelope” also contained goat and sheep parts. Some items included, but not listed on the ‘ingredient’ label were things like cow DNA or pork….for those of a religious bent; it seems you may have inadvertently bought a one-way ticket to purgatory. That is, a number of religions prohibit ingestion of cow or pork or what have you…yet it seems some of these compounds have them in stealth mode. As a Dawkian Antitheist though, I really don’t care about this part.

What is more important to everyone is some of the ingredients are toxic. For example Ephedra has been banned in Canada for almost a decade because it can cause heart attacks; these among other toxins were found to be contained in this traditional medicine.

Cure ya or kill ya, I guess.

So, what is our takeaway?

Well, first, as we have mentioned Ad nauseam, if it’s not MEDICINE, don’t take. You have no idea what it may “really be” or its efficacy….which is likely placebo strength. Even if you “believe” in the woo, this should show you that those who ‘dispense’ these cures don’t really believe…to them you’re just a bundle of dollars.

Grab some skepticism and stop being their patsy; if you feel the need to some woo, grab a bottle of water and remember that almost every animal on earth has had that molecule in its body at some point…if you think power can be transferred via ‘woo’ let that be your connection. It’s better for conservation, safer for you and will not make you feel like a fool when you buy the elk penis and find outs its only pig ear.

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Did Ancient Drifters ‘Discover’ British Columbia?

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 9, 2012

So when were “the Americas” discovered?

Well, in the Colonial minded days we said “In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue” and discovered America…Europeans promptly settled the unpopulated lands…<pause for irony>…Okay, it started perhaps the largest dislocation/genocide in human history; that is another show.

Thanks to the persistence of the Scandinavians, the Saga’s of Leaf Ericson and some nifty archeology, we were able to push back that ‘discovery’ date to 1000 (ish) AD  with the uncovered Viking settlements in the Maritimes.

With the benefit of science and paleo-genetics in particular, we think the first humans arrived in North America about 14 thousand years ago via the Bering Strait. There has been some debate about the number of invasions and the method or actual path they took, but it’s generally accepted…for now…that what we commonly refer to as “first nations” are these Asian immigrants.

Shifting gears for a second…

Did you hear that the US is reliving WW2 by sinking a Japanese ship on the west coast?

Apparently the ship (and assorted other materials) has been adrift since the great Tsunami last year and has only now made it to the North American West Coast. This event helped resurrect the debate amongst anthropologist and archeologist about the possibility of ‘discovery’ of America from historical Asia.

Chinese Treasure ships were giants compared to Columbus’ ships

Due to the Japanese Current…the Pacific equivalent of the Gulf Stream, ‘garbage’ from Japan, China and area will travel to North America. This current provide the possibility of a “fast track” between Asia and North America. It has long been conjectured that the great Chinese civilization has at some point in the distant past traded with the people of west coast here.  Whether China, Japan, Korean or other…I will from here on refer to them in the generic as East Asian.

Sadly there has been little physical evidence to support such claims but there has been a noticeable amount of cultural evidence. Now there have been a number of East Asian artifacts discovered off the west coast, however their age…well age of deposit…has been questioned. Some of the artifacts date back over a thousand years; though it is possible these objects made their way here via 19th century ships.

However there are some theories out there that imply cultural contamination between the East Asian civilizations and the American ones. First, some have asserted that linguistic elements of Japanese can be found in the Zuni people…that other cultures in Asia…notably the Ainu which have strong genetic links to the ‘first nations peoples’…the use mortuary poles…what we would call totem poles can be found in Asian cultures.

“Everything under the Sun”, supposed to show pre-Columbian America.

This secondary evidence has led people to think that the legend of Fu Sang…a 6th century Chinese legend could be true…in the same way that the legend of Troy turned out to be true…kinda. The story of Fu Sang tells the tale of a group of missionary monks who set forth to convert America…or the land on the other side of the Great Eastern Sea…to Buddhism. The monks describe what could be interpreted as features of America, including the tattooed people of the Aleuts, the great Western Rain Forest and mention of a “red, pear-shaped fruit”…i.e. a tomato.

Now, logic makes me think that it quite possible the East Asians came in drips and drabs to North America. There is no logical or technical reason…however such a trip would have been arduous in the extreme. Remember our wayward Japanese ship took over a year to reach our shores.

For adventurers to travel across the Pacific is possible in rare instances…there are issues of food and fresh water…but in limited numbers. It seems exceedingly unlikely a ‘colonizing’ force could have survived…at least in one trip.

The lack of ‘solid’ evidence…so far…makes me think that such adventures…such as the legend of Fu Sang could be true but rare…enough to create legends of strange men but not the genetic ‘anomaly’ in the local west coast population.

What I mean is, if enough ‘modern’ East Asians colonized the West Coast they would have interbred with the locals. Their genes would have been integrated into those of the coast and we should be able to see, in some populations in some ways, this foreign injection.

However in my study of genetic variations across the globe, there are no such Asian abnormalities in the indigenous genome (although to be fair, more intensive study may show otherwise but to date this is a dry hole).

Zuni elders

The linguistic links are still ‘fringe” ideas and my own analysis makes such claims dubious. For example, one of the claims is the linguistic similarities between the Zuni people and Japanese. First, the Zuni live/lived in New Mexico…you would expect linguistic influence to be strongest along the coast and weaken as they move inward.

Also, the Zuni have a significantly different phoneme set than Japanese. Those words that some have claimed to be similar are not the classic benchmarks. For example Zuni for Clan is Kwe while in Japanese it is Kwai[1]…and CLAN? The typical word-root links are more common words like mother, father, etc…So I think this weak at best.

Polynesia’s Pacific migration

That said, I did discover a more plausible linkage between Asia and America. Did you know that the Polynesians settled Hawaii around 550 ce and Easter Island sometime between 500 ce to 1200 ce. It seems impossible to think that they did not continue to land in South America…at least.

The distance from Japan to Vancouver Island is about 6500 km, however if you leap frog, like the Polynesians did, the distance from Easter Island to Chili is only about 3000 km. There is even supporting evidence more solid that what we have already discussed.

As it turns out in 2007, a chicken bone was found in Peru. So what you might say? Well, it was believed that chicken, NOT indigenous to the Americas, was introduced to our shores by the Spanish invaders in the 16th century. However, the 2007 bone dated to 1400 ce meaning that there must have been an alternate source of the fowl. Chickens are common in Polynesia.

There is also the presence of sweet potato in Polynesia. The great ramifications the potato had to Europeans when it was “discovered” in the “new world” is well known. The fact it existed in Polynesia since 1000 ce…as an evasive or imported species…depending on your view of agriculture…lends credibility that it is quite possible that “Asians” ‘discovered’ America long before even the Vikings…but that those Asians were not the great ‘civilizations’ of the time but the much forgotten Polynesians.

What I take away from this is really three things…as you may notice I like things in threes…First, it seems obvious that ‘other cultures’ be they Chinese, Romans or maybe Indians, ‘discovered’ America long before Europe did but such encounters were at best ‘unique’ events…akin to our landing on the moon. Second, it seems that the Polynesians may have been the first ‘non- indigenous’ colonist to the Americans…and third that our bias for “GRAND” extends even to non-Eurocentric history.

What I found funny was that IF Europeans did not discover America, those who did must be “equivalent” to us. That is, the quote “lowly and unsophisticated” Polynesians could not have done it. If anyone but US did it…well the Chinese seem acceptable. They are Euro-like…civilized…they have a royalty…central government…they are a, forgive the racism here…they are a ‘yellow version’ of Europe, therefore acceptable to be “like” us in discovering America.

It seems that lowly and very un-European (ignoring the colonization part) like Polynesians beat them all to our shores…excluding “first nations” who may not actually be the “First people” depending on your  view of the origin of the Clovis people…but that’s another show.

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Radio Freethinker Episode 165 – Profiling Sam Harris Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 8, 2012

This week:

-       European votes reject austerity,
-       Greek Neo-Nazi rise,
-       Global Heritage Fund worries about Asian landmarks,
-       The Jesus T-Shirt – free speech, harassment and the churchers,
-       Is Sam Harris a racist? A look at Harris views on profiling.

Download the episode here!

Topics:

European votes reject austerity

We give a brief overview about recent elections in France and Greece where pro-austerity parties were defeated. 

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Greek Neo-Nazi rise

With the rejections of austerity parties in Greek elections, there was also the disturbing rise of the Greek Neo-Nazi party – Golden Dawn. We also discuss how economic calamity in Europe and the rise of the radical right (and left) seems eerily similar to the 1930 and Greece in particular to Weimar Germany. 

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Global Heritage Fund worries about Asian landmarks

With the rapid industrialization of Asia, a number of its millennial old landmarks are disappearing. Damage from natural erosion, purposeful destruction for development, tourism burnout,government inadequacy or simply loss of context by building a high-rise next to the 12th century temple. We also point out the UN focuses on rich nations while ignoring the rest.

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The Jesus T-Shirt – free speech, harassment and the churchers

We discuss the recent expelling of a student in NS. for wearing an “offending” t-shirt about Jesus and the value of life. We explore the free speech issues. 

We dig deeper to uncover that the shirt was only the last straw and review the problem of religious proselytizing in school.

We also discuss how the religious right has created the ‘hyper’ sensitivity about religion and schools in the first place by trying to turn schools into centres of religious indoctrination.

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Is Sam Harris a racist? A look at Harris views on profiling

We discuss the controversy arising from Sam Harris’s article “in defence of profiling”. We point out the logical inconsistency of his argument and debunk his point.

We also discuss his follow-up article and response to criticism of the first article and pose the question is Harris a racist (maybe) and why there is such an irrational view of Muslims and terrorism south of the border in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Philosophers Cafe - Hate Speech and the Criminal Code

Moderator Dr. Graham Forst asks if the prohibition of hate speech damages the freedom of speech provision of our constitution, or if it protects minority rights and contributes to a flourishing society.

Where: Gathering Place (1100-2253 Leigh Square, Port Coquitlam)
When: May 14, 2012, 7 pm
Cost: Free

Philosophers Cafe - Is An Empathic Civilization Possible?

As part of SFU Philosophers’ Café, moderator Charles Marxer ponders the nature and origin of empathy.

Where: White Rock Central Library ( 15342 Buena Vista Ave., White Rock)
When: May 14, 2012, 7 pm
Cost: Free

Skeptics in the Pub – Down-town

Join us on Tuesday, May 15 at 7:30pm for another evening of skeptical fun, food, drinks, and conversation in the Railway Club’s back bar. Come out and discuss skepticism-related activities in Vancouver with your fellow science enthusiasts, rationalists, and critical thinkers, and maybe meet some new friends. As always, if you arrive late and they’re collecting a cover charge at the door, just tell them you’re with the skeptics’ group to get in for free.

Where: The Railway Club, 579 Dunsmuir Street, Vancouver
When: Thursday, May 15, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

Skeptics in the Pub Richmond

Skeptics in the Pub is a casual social event for local science enthusiasts who value critical thinking and skepticism.

Join us for drinks and food in a friendly atmosphere. It’s a great place to meet local skeptics, make new friends, and get involved and informed about new events and activities.

Where: Legends Pub in Richmond, 6511 Buswell Street, minutes from the Brighouse Skytrain station and Richmond Centre
When: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

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New Agora Uncovers Terrible Link Between Autism and Vanishing Bees!

Posted by Ethan Clow on May 7, 2012

The other day I was nice indy coffee shop and I picked up the latest edition of “The New Agora” It’s one of those hip, free, indy, newspapers that circulate around Vancouver offering the news that those fatcats in the mainstream press don’t want you to know.

The website for the paper has much to say in the About section, for example:

“ All of us here working with The New Agora intend to live up to the responsibilities inherent in the work of truth tellers and truth showers.  Our hearts are demanding that we offer a larger perspective on what’s happening in the world, unbiased yet participant, balanced and personal, true and loving.

Truth must be told.  Some stories need to see the light of day.  Long ago the printed page served just such a purpose.  In this day of mass media controlled awareness it remains a potentially vital however rarified outlet for the voice of the People to be heard.

<snip>

…Cooperation is the antidote to the disease called ‘Corporation’ currently afflicting humanity with its paradigm of homicidal selfishness.”

Anyway, I have nothing against the leftist mentality described here. It’s the counter balance to the fear mongering far right and I’m sure they offer some interesting perspectives on social issues. Where I do take issue is with their rather shabby reporting on science and or skeptical issues.

The headlines that dotted the cover of the May issue of The New Agora included such gems as:

“Intelligent Energy”

“Cancer Free Life”

“Empowered Children of the Future” and “Dissolving the Matrix”.

I know, I went “What? What? What? and What??” too.

Reading through some of the articles I found myself face palming so much that I was in danger of causing severe nose and forehead cave-in-itus.

Some of the most demonstrable health fear mongering came from a contributor named Ethan Huff, this fellow Ethan however has some rather choice words for mainstream news. In one article he wrote about gardening he writes:

“Modern industrial agriculture is a disastrous failure, as it defies practically every natural law related to food cultivation…”

At least we can appreciate the hyperbole but then I saw his next article entitled “Vaccination Theory Crumbles”

Sigh.

So flipping to a different page we find this gem “Radiation Warnings you Won’t Get From Mainstream Media” (it was also typed in bold red letters in case it wasn’t scary enough) But at least this is an accurate title. You won’t get these radiation warnings from mainstream media, well maybe Fox News…

So as I was reading this article, in which they attest that radiation levels of seaweed on the west coast of Canada were contaminated with Cesium, a radioactive material. It also alleges that Canada and the US are buying radioactive seafood from Japan (for some reason) and goes on to say water samples on the west coast all show signs of unsafe radiation. In fact the article also urges readers (IN ALL CAPS) to “question the origin of ALL seafood. ” and that “rainfall and snowfall are all radiated.” As well as to not drink water from the tap as “your faucet has NOT been treated to rid it of radioactive particles.”

If that hasn’t got you sufficiently terrorized, wait to you see the next big headline:

“Autism and Disappearing Bees: A Common Denominator?”

That’s what it really said, I didn’t make that up.

The paper then takes a turn from ludicrously bad science reporting to vaguely transphobic pseudo science with an article “Are Boys Turning in to Girls Because of Man Made Chemicals?” by someone called only “Dak” Here’s a quote:

“Recently we are seeing accelerated puberty in young girls, an alarming increase in the men with extremely low sperm counts and transgender phenomenon growing at alarming pace.”

So I could go but obviously we all have better things to do with our time than wade through this garbage. But as an example of the kind of pseudo-science that exists out there for the conspiracy driven, leftist movements, this really shows that we often bemoan the crazy on the far right, but there’s just as much crazy on the far left too.

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