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Loyal to whom?

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 15, 2013

The librarians dilemma

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I have talked before about a fundamental difference between our current government and all previous governments. That Conservatives have systematically and methodically attempted to shut down science research, silence public employees in the private lives.

There were the changes to Stats Canada, removing our ability to effectively gauge what is going on in the nation. There is an assumption of secrecy where public documents are either censored out rightly, experience delayed release or are just ‘lost in the mail’.

The next front in the battle for Canada is occurring in the libraries and archives of Canada. A new code of conduct has been decreed and disseminated to all employees of the Library and Archives of Canada.

“Federal librarians and archivists who set foot in classrooms, attend conferences or speak up at public meetings on their own time are engaging in ‘high risk’ activities, according to the new”

Why?

The code, which stresses federal employees’ “duty of loyalty” to the “duly elected government,

harper-dollarIt states that “as public servants, our duty of loyalty to the Government of Canada and its elected officials extends beyond our workplace to our personal activities,”

So, employees have to be extra careful that if they say something that may be critical, contradictory or just inconvenient to the official government line, they may face disciplinary action or termination.

For example, I work for the library. On my Facebook page, which I have limited access to family only…I post an entry stating that reduction of funding to the library may result is longer response time to Access to Information Requests (future post). Someone in my group shares that with the ‘public’…well then I am in violation of my loyalty Harper…er, I mean the GOVERNMENT of Canada. I could expect disciplinary action or even termination.

Should not my loyally be to the Nation of Canada, the citizens of Canada?

Now this notion that civil servants owe a loyalty to the government smacks of totalitarianism. They do NOT owe loyalty to the government but to the nation. They do not serve Harper and his Conservatives, but CANADA!

Historically, a major turning point in 1930’s Germany was the altering of the army ‘oath’ from allegiance to Germany to allegiance to Hitler…change a word here add a word there just saying.

When public servants see or believe the current government is causing harm to the nation….lying to the people it is NOT their duty, it is NOT their duty to be loyal to the government and shut up about it. No, it IS their duty to stand up, speak out and express their loyalty to the nation they serve.

One of the most important counter balances to power in this nation, and its abuses, are the whistle-blowers (currently under severe attack south of the border).  If we intimidate PUBLIC servants into silence we create a situation where a government can not only do ‘wrong’ but can create the conditions to ‘perpetual dominance’.

harper_brutalism01a688pxThe code is already having a “chilling” effect on federal archivists and librarians, who in more open times, were encouraged to actively engage and interact with groups interested in everything from genealogy to preserving historical documents. This was a time when the government (and its agents) were seen to serve the people of Canada and not primarily its government or corporations.

Now however, government employees have to ask themselves is the risk of an accidental slip of the tongue worth their careers?

“It is very disturbing and disconcerting to have included speaking at conferences and teaching as so-called ‘high risk’ activities,” says Loryl MacDonald archivist at the University of Toronto.

The code says to employees they may accept such invitations “as personal activities” if six conditions are met:

      1. The subject of the activity is not related to the LAC’s mandate or activities;
      2. The employee is not presented as speaking for or being an expert of LAC or the Government of Canada;
      3. The third party that made the invitation is not a potential or current supplier or collaborator with LAC;
      4. The third party does not lobby or advocate with LAC
      5. The third party does not receive grants, funding or payments from LAC; and
      6. The employee has discussed the invitation with his or her manager “who has documented confirmation that the activity does not conflict with the employee’s duties at LAC or present other risks to LAC.”

So to summarize the requirements, you cannot talk about things the government doesn’t what you to, you cannot talk to people the government doesn’t want you too and MOST importantly, if you do speak as a private citizen, you must first get permission from your government overlord.

HarperHitlerSieg Heil!                                                                              (pardon my Godwin)

It appears to rule out federal librarians or archivists interacting on their own time with academics or heritage or genealogy groups and associations, as they may lobby, collaborate and receive funding from the LAC. Including such things as going to their child’s elementary school and telling them what you do for a living.

It seems like a progressive, in the bad sense, attempt to isolate all government employees from engaging the public. What does Harper fear?

John Smart, a retiree who worked for the LAC for almost 20 years believes “the new code reflects a ‘generalized suspicion of public servants’ by the Harper government.

And he says LAC managers are likely not keen to have staff fielding questions about funding cuts and changes at LAC, which are eliminating several specialist archive positions; moving to digitize materials; and reducing public access to archival collections.

There is a pattern here. It’s just not some Alex Jones conspiracy theory. The recent “revolt of the backbenchers’ exemplifies that Harper believes that one tool in his war chest to win the next election is to insure the ‘ignorance’ of the people of Canada about what the Harper government has done, is doing, and plans to do…that ignorance is electoral success for this government.

“First they came for the scientist…
and I said nothing.

Then they came for the librarians…
again I said nothing.

Then they came for the teachers, journalist and activists…
and yet again I said nothing…
it was for the greater good we were told.

Then they came for me…
and I was alone
and too ignorant to know it.”

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All You Need is Love (and Skepticism)

Posted by Ethan Clow on April 11, 2013

A few weeks ago, CFI Transnational, along with several other large skeptic/atheist organizations, released a statement calling for civility in online discussion and vigorous use of the principle of charity.

“The instantaneous and impersonal nature of online communication also makes it much easier for these misunderstandings to escalate, or for civil arguments to turn into bitter fights.”

and

“Insults, slurs, expressions of hatred, and threats undermine our shared values of open and candid discussion because they move us away from an exchange of views supported with reasons.”

Translated, this means “stop being so damn belligerent online and for the sake of the flying spaghetti monster, assume that the person you’re mad at wasn’t trying to be dunder-head and instead of being mad, take a moment and give them the benefit of the doubt!”

It’s an entirely reasonable position to take. You may have noticed that the skeptic community has a tendency to be a bit prickly at times. Arguments of scope or tone or even interpretation of claims – has and continues – to cause divides and occasionally deep rifts. This could be because the “movement” seems to communicate with itself primarily online, which leaves much to be desired in terms of optimal communication. It’s a lot easier to rage at someone on a blog or Facebook or twitter then it is to their face.

Not to long ago, there was a recent debate on the nature of skepticism between Steve Novella and PZ Myers, two fellows who have a lot to say on the subject. Their back and forth conversation spawned several blog posts, hundreds of comments, and most likely long ripples throughout the community. One point that came up was this concept of charity. Basically, the goal here is to try really hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt, don’t assume the worse about them or their argument. You can take this further by giving whatever they’re saying the best chance to be heard and considered. When someone makes an argument, examine it under its best circumstances.

To quote Steven Novella:

“Before you set out to criticize someone’s claim or position, you should endeavor to grant that position its best possible case. Don’t assume the worst about your opponent, assume the best. Give them any benefit of the doubt. At the very least this will avoid creating a straw man to attack, or opening yourself up to charges that you are being unfair.

To give you an example of this, suppose you are arguing about capital punishment, and your opponent gives you scenario that’s unlikely or rare – don’t slap it away (at least at first) your position will ultimately be strengthened if you can argue against their “best case” scenario. Decide to talk about the so-called slam dunk case, like Hitler. You have a criminal who has admitted their guilt. Lots of evidence, lots of witnesses, literally zero chance this person was innocent. Under these circumstances, discuss why capital punishment would be wrong.

While the principle of charity and a willingness to be civil are both great concepts, we must also be skeptical about the overall tone of the message delivered by the skeptical orgs, in addition to the content and meaning. There should be a clear difference from tolerating a disagreeable argument to accepting that there are “two sides” to the issue of sexism in the skeptic movement. Skepchick’s Rebecca Watson wrote a response to the open letter that’s worth reading.

There are two problems I see with such call for civility:

  1. Phrasing the request in terms of a debate i.e “The Debate over Sexism and Feminism” There is no “debate” over sexism. Sexism is bad. It exists. It has to stop. I realize there aren’t people debating that sexism is good, but disturbingly, there are people saying that sexism doesn’t happen and responding with frothing rage at the mere suggestion that it does. Phrasing this like a “debate” is an insult to debates. Historians don’t call Holocaust Denial a debate, scientists don’t call conspiracy theories debates – those examples are just small vocal groups screaming at reasonable people.
  2. As a matter of principle, the skeptic/freethought/atheist community should get along… except for those times when we shouldn’t. I’ve long been a advocate for co-operation in the movement. Atheist, skeptic, humanist, feminist, whatever you call yourself – your welcome at my event. That being said, if an atheist shows up who thinks that climate change is a big conspiracy by Al Gore, or your a skeptic who thinks that history is bullshit, or a humanist who doesn’t like Doctor Who… you’re going to hear about it from me. And that’s not to say I’m going to yell at you and call you names, but if you’re wrong about something, I’m going to say so. Likewise, if an organization does something that is wrong, they should be called out on it.

There are obvious examples where we are not going to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Harassment, death threats, etc; we are not going to sit down and have a conversation over. And lets be intellectually honest with ourselves… most of the bullshit like name calling, harassment, threats, are coming from only side in the whole “sexism debate” and its not the feminists. (And those are ironic quotation marks, by the way)

However I think that there is something to be said for trying private diplomacy were applicable. To use a real example, the situation between Harriet Hall (the Skep-Doc) and Surly Amy, looked irreconcilable, however after some of the emotion died down, they were able to mend fences. Direct communication, without an audience, can lead to promising results. Honestly, I’ve been saying it for so long I’m starting to sound like a broken record: But there are many methods for achieving our goals. Some methods will work well with situation A, but sometimes you’ll have situation B which will require a different method. This applies as much to skeptical activism as it does to group dynamics.

Doing a podcast like Radio Freethinker works for me. It might not work for others. That doesn’t mean I’m right and they’re wrong. CFI’s organization and structure works well for me. That doesn’t mean it will work well for you. If it doesn’t, that doesn’t imply that there is anything wrong with CFI or for that matter, you or me.

Different methods for different situations for different people.

Sometimes a phone call or email to an individual is warranted.

“Hey, what did you mean by that statement you made about X? It sounded rather dismissive, and given that I know you know how much work I put into this, it caught me a little off guard.” As oppose to posting a rant on Facebook or writing a blistering blog post.

Sometimes a phone call is not the right thing to do.

“Hey, I got that rape and death threat you sent me. U mad?”

So look, lets all get along. And when we don’t, lets take a few minutes to figure out the best way of responding. Let’s call out bull shit when we see it and be aggressive and confrontational – when we see that it’s the right call.

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Radio Freethinker Episode 206 – Election Quiz Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 9, 2013

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This week:
- Goodbye Roger,
Suing for information
, and
The Humanist Report – Election Quiz,

Download the episode here!

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Goodbye Robert

roger-ebert-360xx272-229-45-59Film critic Roger Ebert passed this past week, obviously Ebert will be remembered for his appreciation for films of all kinds, for his witty writing and thought provoking movie reviews. What I find interesting is how much one might consider Ebert a skeptic and humanist, even though, he didn’t really identify as one.

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Suing for information.

We discuss the efforts of Canada’s Information Commissioner, Suzanne Legault to investigating whether the Harper government is living up to the law of the land. Legault is currently suing the DOD over a 1100 day extension on a 30 day Access to Information Request which she claims is deliberately obstructive and violating the principles of the Access to Information act.

We talk about how the Harper government has systematically restricted our access to information and the people who make it. As well as the push back by Legault as well as Democracy Watch and U of Vic’s Environmental Law Clinic.

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Humanist Report – Election Quiz & Atheist Church

dbb4_bIan Bushfield drops by the RFT virtual studio to give us our semi-regular Humanist Report. We discussed the Atheist Church movement, Gideon Bible, upcoming Humanist polling project, science and teaching, the upcoming BC Election and the questionnaire being distributed by the BC Humanist Association to candidates.

Ian was acting both as the current Executive Director of the BC Humanist Association as well as just himself.

Find

Register to VOTE here!!!

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Skeptic Highlights

CFI Freethinkers Book Club: The Believing Brain – Saturday April 13th 2013 at 1pm at the Grind and Gallery Coffee Bar – Event Link on Facebook

CFI’s The Science of Vaccines: A Panel Discussion – Friday, April 26th 2013 at 7:00 pmThe panel will discuss the reasons why vaccines are one of the foundations of public health and take questions on the creation of vaccines, how they work, and more. The panel features Dr. Jamie Scott: Professor in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry and the Faculty of Health Sciences at SFU, Dr. David Scheifele: Director, Vaccine Evaluation Center (VEC) at BC Children’s Hospital and Professor of Pediatrics (Infectious Diseases) UBC, and Dr. Monika Naus: Medical Director, Immunization Programs & Vaccine Preventable Diseases, BCCDC. The Event will take place in Room 1700, SFU Harbour Centre. Event Link Here.

CFI Presents George Hrab at the Railway Club – Sunday, April 28th 2013 at 6:00 pm at The Railway Club, 579 Dunsmuir St, Vancouver – In addition to the two hour set George is performing on stage at the Railway Club, there will be limited tickets available for a private reception in the back bar where you can meet and socialize with George and fellow attendees and even hear an acoustic set from George. You can purchase tickets at http://hrabvancouver.eventbrite.ca/

Revolutionary Horizons: Debating the Democratic Potential of the Internet

The role of the Internet and social media in recent global uprisings has received much attention. Popular claims that the internet and social media are revolutionary tools for social change are frequently countered by charges of ‘slacktivism’. Jodi Dean and Andrew Feenberg are two critical theorists who have contributed much to developing highly enlightening but distinct perspectives on the relationship between networked technology and politics. This  event will bring these two esteemed scholars together to debate how we can best understand the role of the internet in shaping the possibilities and limitations of collective action today.

Organized as a part of the CounterCulture Speaker Series run by the Media Democracy Project, School of Communication and the SFU Institute for the Humanities.

When: Friday, Apr 12th, 2013 @ 7:00 PM
Where: SFU Harbour Center, Fletcher Challenge Theatre (Room #1900), Vancouver
Cost: Free

Dark Secrets of the Universe

As part of the Space Centers Women in science, they present a talk by Dr. Stéphanie Côté. There is a lot more to the Universe than meets the eye. In fact astronomers have now determined that most of the content of the Universe is formed by dark matter and the even more mysterious dark energy. They are called ‘dark’ because these phenomena do not emit any light and are therefore invisible to our current methods of direct detection. This is one of the big mysteries that Dr. Côté will discuss.

 When: Thursday, Apr 11th, 2013 @ 7:00 PM
Where:
H.R. MacMillan Space Centre, Vancouver
Cost:
By donation

International Workshop: Capitalism, Inequality and Democracy

For a very long time inequality, income and wealth disparity have been on the rise, not only in Canada but around the world. Join us as our invited experts discuss the causes behind this unfortunate reality as well as its implications for political democracy and the interplay between market and state.

 When:
Starts - 
Friday, Apr 12th, 2013 @ 6:00 PM
Ends – Saturday , Apr 13th, 2013 @ 5:00 PM
Where
C.K. Choi Building, UBC, Vancouver er
Cost
Free (although an optional lunch costs $15)
RSVP HERE!

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Korean War Redux

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 5, 2013

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Unless you have been hiding in a bomb shelter or perhaps were visiting another planet, you probably have heard that it appears that North Korea and South Korea are at a state of war…again!

To be fair, they have been at war ever since North Korea attempted a ‘manual’ unification of the Korean Peninsula in 1950.

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“Let’s drive the US imperialists out and reunite the fatherland!”
North Korean propaganda poster

I say war but definitions differ depending on who you are. The North Koreans see it as ‘liberating’ their own people/territory from capitalist imperialism. China and Russia think it an ‘internal dispute’. The USA sees it as the prelude to Vietnam (and then gets very sad and introspective). And then there are the South Koreans who see it as…well a war.

The rest of the world though sees it as something unique. It’s a police action. North Korea was charged with a “breach of the peace” by the UN and member nations were asked to help restore the peace…with of course… their guns.

Security-Council-reformIt is unique in that it is one of the few times the Security Council has authorized what most of us would call a war, especially when the belligerent is/was a strong ally of the USSR which has a veto on the Security Council. The only other comparable example I could find was the 1990 ‘police action’ after the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.

This happened because the USSR was boycotting the Council at the time in protest of Taiwan being given the ‘China’ seat on the Council. So the USA managed to get the Council to pass Resolution 82…and ensured that the USSR would be present at every Council vote thereafter.

The Korean conflict, as those who watched the classic show MASH are familiar… had the North reduce the South to a few hundred square KM, then the UN forces pushed back to the Chinese border only to be repelled well south of the 48th parallel to end up with a stable front about at the 48th parallel.

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Now, most of us think that the war is old news…I mean, didn’t it end in 1954? Well, yes and no.

What happened in 1953 was an armistice…which is NOT a peace treaty but an agreement on the cessation of hostilities. The idea of course being that the parties would then sit down and come up with a permanent solution to their problems and then sign a for-real peace treaty.

It’s been 60 plus years and there is still no peace treaty, so North Korean and South Korea are still technically at war. I say technically but more than that and this leads to a lot of the current headlines in the news today.

The border between the two nations is an armed no-man’s land 4 miles wide with each side having thousands of troops ready to resume battle.

DMZ looking SouthIronically enough, the KDMZ or Korean Demilitarized Zone has created one of the most important ‘wild life’ preserves because no one is allowed to live in the zone (there are two minor exceptions…but mostly no-man’s land). So, endangered creatures like the Korean Leopard have found safe refuge on the world oldest war front.

Okay, so besides the presence of military forces, the USA has regularly held joint military exercises with the South Korean military.

From the South’s point of view, this is to ensure that the North will never catch the South flat-footed like it did in 1950.

Conversely, the North has seen the exercise as the South’s preparation for an attack on the North.

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“Do not forget the US imperialist wolves!”
North Korean Anti-US propaganda poster

The North has always seen itself as the David of David and Goliath fame. Before the Vietnamese, the North Koreans stood up to the US and its UN allies and, in its eyes, won. And it only did this by being aggressive and showing the world it will not be pushed around.

AXISThere was a rocky warming of relationships between North and South during the 90’s but when in 2002, GW Bush included North Korea in its “Axis of Evil” the recent downward spiral began.

With the collapse of the USSR and the ever closer relationship between the US and China, North Korea figured it was time to renew serious efforts to develop the ultimate deterrent to the American provocations – the bomb!!

The US has organized a global effort to impose sanctions on North Korea to stop it developing nuclear weapons…an effort we know failed.

In the last few years, and especially with the ascension of Kim Il-Un, there has been a ratcheting up of tensions between the North and South.

It is a common belief that North Korea is a backwards, poor, isolated nation ruled by a cadre of fanatical nut-bags.

 

Well, they maybe many things but they are not crazy.

North Korea has managed to remain staunchly independent by a very flexible, pragmatic and at times Machiavellian diplomatic policy. The current leadership of Kim Jung Un has managed to consolidate power internally while keeping US and Chinese imperialist at bay.

The USA has tried to cut North Korea off but it has not isolated the nation.

North Korea has a large disparage between the urban and rural people and the farmers still experience starvation…but rarely.

South Korea bans trade with NorthThat said, it has a higher GDP than Nicaragua, Niger, Bahamas, Kenya, Cambodia…don’t get me wrong, compared to Canada or even South Korea, their economy is nothing but considering the international sanctions, one must be impressed with how well it is doing

And it is not China that is propping it up. The constant refrain that North Korea is isolated and must ‘lock in’ its people ignored the fact that thousands travel to China and Mongolia to work in factories. Others work in Russia’s lumber industry. Kuwait hires them for major construction projects. The North Koreans are building the visitor pavilion at Amkor Watt in Cambodia.

Part of that project includes 3D interactive attractions which leads me to mention one of the areas North Korea has gained a favourable reputation is in computer programming  Pyongyang is the center of an information technology sector that is an outsourcing destination for other countries, even developing software and apps for the iPhone.

They are still famous for their animation…just check out the Simpsons for proof.

167856051It’s also important that from day one, North Korea believed in the philosophy of self-reliance…that it should be able to supply all of its own needs. This is one of the reasons that when natural disasters hit the North, there is such great suffering.

The flip side of this coin is when ‘international sanctions’ are applied, their effect on the North is limited at best. It literally doesn’t need anyone’s business. Unlike China, Canada or the USA.

Of course some assume that China could just snap its fingers and North Korea…apparently dependent, as we just said this is not completely true…one snap and North Korea would act nice.

Well, again North Korea has been playing this game a long time and knows how to play one side against the other and work on the insecurities of countries like China who only want stable borders with peaceful neighbours. North Korea has been using the “loud bark” and hinted bit for generations to punch FAR FAR above its weight.

In its eyes, it has defeated a super power…the US…cow-towed another…China…and feels very much in a corner where only more the same will ensure its independence and prosperity…

Last word, should we be afraid of North Korea?

As Canadians, no. Although they brag they have rockets that could hit the lower 48 States, evidence shows the technology they have could barely reach the USA (and accidentally hit Canada)…and that tech would be limited in numbers and likely easily shot down.

As a Korean…not that I am but let’s pretend…or even Japanese; well then I would say yes, be afraid. I don’t think Pyongyang WANTS a war, but when you play chicken, sometimes you get hit.

north-korea-parade-missile-660North Korea has nuclear weapons that could hit Seoul maybe even parts of Japan. North Korea has a military of over a million and reserves that number above 8 million. If it wanted to smother South Korea, it has the manpower.

South Korea has a large army itself and much more advanced weapons. Although outnumbered, the North Korean army may turn out to be the paper tiger Saddam Hassan army proved to be.

The nightmare scenario is that North Korea will launch a surprise…with US surveillance tech, I am unsure HOW they could, but let’s again pretend. Like in 1950, they swamp the South Koreans but this time there is no Inchon and the whole country falls.

The North installs a new puppet government in the South that either surrenders or calls for reunification.

spreadthin_500Of course the rest of the world will condemn the action but there will be no UN Security Council resolution. The US will not be able to ‘come to the rescue’ if too much of the South is lost, it is already involved in three war fronts, not to mention its Global ‘war on terror’.

China will welcome the increased stability a unified Korea would offer. And depending on how North Korea deals with the South…will it be like Israel and bleed it into submission or like China and Hong Kong where given enough rope to subdue itself…only time will tell.

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Note: I was looking at one of the photos of North Korean border guards and I noticed he was filming the photographer…well, you would think film…that cellulite they used in the old days but what passes as high-tech in the backwards north…well, he was using a current model Sony camcorder.

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       We think their
tech in 1950′s
      But the reality is
they have modern tech

Note: In late 2009 North Korea revalued its currency, effectively confiscating all privately held money above the equivalent of US$35 per person. The revaluation effectively wiped out the savings of many North Koreans. Days after the revaluation the Won dropped 96% against the United States Dollar. Pak Nam-gi, the Director of the Planning and Finance Department of North Korea’s ruling Workers’ Party, was blamed for the disaster and later executed in 2010. And what did the US do when its financial leaders did something like this? Nothing! No, they gave them bonuses….

Note: It’s important to note that the US use of the B-52 and the B-2 Stealth bomber signals a significant ‘raising of the stakes’. North Korea has stated that “Nuclear weapons were the life’s blood of the nation” and threatened to use them in “self-defense”. This is the first time that the US and South Korea has threatened ‘right back’ and threatened to use their bombers to drop nuclear bombs on North Korea.

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Manufacturing Islamophobia

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 4, 2013

The false equivilancy of New Atheist and Islamophbia

The Hatcket Job on Dawkins

I came across an article just the other day that pointed out that some members of the New Atheist were…how shall we say, a little Islamophobic

We have talked before about Sam Harris, who I would say is not a little but almost a proud Islamophobe. And we have already discussed this. We also talked about how Christopher Hitchens, at least at the start, was a republican hawk.

However, the main target of the piece seemed to be Richard Dawkins, which struck me as odd.

The.Colbert.Report.2009.09.30.Richard.Dawkins.PDTV.XviD-FQM.avi_000132765Don’t get me wrong, Dawkins is an elderly very English academic who does have the air of befuddlement whenever the topic at hand moves away from his specialty genetics or pure atheism. A man of many failures but Islamophobic?

This latest attack by Nathan Lean, who has made a career, and not in a bad way, of calling out what he sees as Islamophobia.  He is the author of The Islamophobia Industry: How the Right Manufactures Fear of Muslims. We have talked before about how the right-wing conservatives, especially in the USA and Western Europe, use the ‘threat’ of Islam to promote their conservative agenda. From my research, I did not find Lean a controversial figure but after this post that may change.

The genesis of this article refers to a couple of tweets…well as Lean puts it “Dawkins, served up a hostile helping of snark this week aimed at followers of the Muslim faith”. And he tries to draw a connection between criticisms of Islam to Islamophobia.

four horsemenHe heaps false praise on them, he lumps together Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens and once Daniel Dennett as the New Athiest…he praises the new atheist for being knowledgeable and intellectual giants but he then claims their fame and the rise of the New Atheist movement was because of 9/11. It is strongly implied Dawkens et al; along with evangelical pastors owe their success to this one event which they have inflated into a crusade for their own personal profit.

He states that a number of evangelical “pastors were jolted to rock star–like status” and created Magachurches…but megachurches were a 1990’s phenomena culminating in the election of GW Bush…a misinterpretation. It is true, and irrelevant to Dawkins, that the evangelical and republican type used anti-Muslim sentiment to promote their own interests. There is no evidence that, beyond the fact its profile had risen in the western media, that Dawkins (in particular) specifically targeted Muslims over other faiths.

However, contrary to Lean’s assertions, the vast majority of the efforts of the atheist movement (new or not) in the USA and Canada is directed against evangelical Christians.

He comments that:

Four days after the tragedy, Dawkins could barely contain his intellectual triumphalism. “[The terrorists] were not mindless and they were certainly not cowards…On the contrary, they had sufficiently effective minds braced with an insane courage, and it would pay us mightily to understand where that courage came from. It came from religion.”

He then goes on to say that Islam did not figure greatly in the Atheist movement until 9/11:

 Emboldened by their new-found fervor in the wake of the terrorist attacks, the New Atheists joined a growing chorus of Muslim-haters, mixing their abhorrence of religion in general with a specific distaste for Islam

However, it is not racism or Islamophobia that elevated the profile of Islam in the west, it was the largest act of terrorism in US history…EVERYONE was talking more about Islam.

imagesHe points out that Hitchens’s book God is not Great is a direct insult to Muslims…and one must assume only Muslims…because of the common Islamic phrase ‘Allah Akbar’ (God is great). Fair dinkum on that but if you read the book[1], Hitchens goes to great lengths to focus on extremist of ALL religions…in fact he is one of the few to mention ‘terrorist’ type atrocities perpetrated by Buddhist.

So the tweet ‘Rant’ as Lean put it said this:

“Haven’t read Koran so couldn’t quote chapter and verse like I can for Bible. But [I] often say Islam [is the] greatest force for evil today.”

To which, Lean adds the comment, I will assume sarcastically, “How’s that for a scientific dose of proof that God does not exist?”

The other half of the Rant was Dawkins reply to criticism he had not read the Quran but still criticises Islam by tweeting:

“Of course you can have an opinion about Islam without having read the Qur’an. You don’t have to read “Mein Kampf” to have an opinion about Nazism”

Lean’s comment on this was to criticise Dawkins for not doing research to substantiate his beliefs…that this is a hallmark of the New Atheist to “insisting on a conclusion before even launching an initial investigation”

This is a popular canard that is often used against atheist and scientific skeptics in general. ‘If you haven’t learned everything about subject X then you can’t make any comments about it’. This is a fallacy.

There are some criteria one must reach to have an opinion and others to be ‘authoritative’. I can have an opinion on life on Mars but I should first read a book/article about xenobiology, and maybe check out a text book about Martian geology, and perhaps a journal paper on the findings about the conditions on Mars. My opinion may be not ‘authoritative’ but provided I have used authoritative sources, I think I not only have the right to an opinion but can do so with a degree of confidence.

Of course the authoritative sources should be the people who have done the exhaustive leg work. To return to Islam you would want to talk to people who have studied Muslim culture, Islamic nations, or even read PARTS of the Quran. Provided we are willing to adjust our opinions based on the evidence and continued confidence in our authoritative sources, we are not putting conclusion before investigation. To imply that Dawkins has not done this is just an ignorant mischaracterization with ill intent.

By Lean’s standards, until you have read the US constitution and all its laws, you cannot have an opinion about USA politics because you lack the “initial investigation…BULL!

Imaginary-friend-atheism-1330191-387-405There is another bait and switch here; atheists in general are neutral with regards to the ‘text’ of religion…as seen as literature. Their criticism arises not from the books but the religion that claims to be based on these texts (often tangentially or at times contradictory). It is not that the Yahweh in the Old Testament told people to stone their children but that some people actually follow this today.

If someone began to follow the Iliad, atheist would not condemn the Iliad as a book but would condemn the religion (and its practices) that people invent out of it.

Dawkins has ‘studied’ the practices of Islam, and thereby can state an opinion without (necessarily) being labelled an Islamophobe. If he only condemns Islam while ignoring or apologizing of other religions atrocities…maybe a bigot but he has consistently condemned Catholics, Jews and others for their ‘evils’.

Where is the source evidence that he is not equally against religion in in all its forms and ONLY saves the special wrath, as Lean claims, for Islam?

Now, I am unsure of the belief system of Lean, but he does have signs of intellectual dishonesty.

He makes a point of stating that some ‘detractors’ call Dawkins a fundamentalist; followed by the comment that:

Noam Chomsky is one such critic. Chomsky has said that Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens are “religious fanatics”… and then quotes Chomsky as saying “they have actually adopted the state religion — one that, though void of prayers and rituals, demands that its followers blindly support the whims of politicians”

I checked the quote…it was a Q&A from one of the mean talks Chomsky has given. This comment was in response to a question about how people like Sam Harris, as a New Atheist, used secularism as a justification of for an aggressive foreign (US) policy; Chomsky’s response was with regards to US Foreign policy…. Chomsky was referring to Harris and Hitchens…no reference to Dawkins…and their strong support for the war in Iraq.

For the record, Dawkins condemned Tony Blair’s craven support for the Iraq war. Dawkins stated that the Iraq war was wrong and “bizarre. It is pure racism and/or religious prejudice”

He then states “Dawkins’ quest to “liberate Muslim women and smack them with a big ol’ heaping dose of George W. Bush freedom”where the hell does this come from? In the same posts mentioned above, Dawkins states that “I am passionately anti-Bush” and has many times denigrated US Foreign policy. This is a week-willed intellectually-bankrupt attempt at ‘guilt by association’ and one where the alleged association does not exist…contrary to the facts!

What was a slightly slanted view of things has exploded into a hatchet job.

He then points out that Dawkins was upset when he believed mandatory segregation of the genders was to be enforced…well Lean called it by the less offensive term “gender-separate seating” then goes off about how Dawkins did not get offended when during a Violin concert by Itzhak Perlman in New York was segregated or Israeli airline once forced re-seating to accommodate orthodox Jewish beliefs…

Then he states Dawkins probably didn’t know about that. So why bring it up?

He is implying that when ‘Muslim wrong-doing’ is afoot, Dawkins is quick to pounce on the opportunity to condemn Islam while giving other religions a pass. Bullshite!

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IN the first instance it was a religious debate with Lawrence Krauss…He knows Lawrence and they are friends. It is quite likely Dawkins was invited to attend the debate. If he was invited to a Pearlman concert, he would, I am sure, have been equally upset about segregation.

The article slips even deeper into disgrace when he adds the line:

“Where exactly Dawkins gets his information about Islam is unclear (perhaps Fox News?).”

tumblr_m3qlkwXHrj1qg5btqo1_500The implication is that Dawkins is a far right-wing neo-con…which plays well into Lean’s narrative but the fact Dawkins is a Liberal Democrat (socially left, economically right) denies this image. In fact one begins to wonder what Lean has against Dawkins or what he hopes to gain by attacking him in this way.

He then claims that “Dawkins references a site called Islam Watch” but himself provides no reference and I could not find any.

He implies that Dawkins gave a full throated endorsement of Geert Wielder’s racist bigoted views. He quotes Dawkins as saying:

“I salute you as a man of courage who has the balls to stand up to a monstrous enemy”

While ignoring the line just prior:

“If it should turn out that you are a racist or a gratuitous stirrer and provocateur I withdraw my respect”

Now, Dawkins comments are on Geert’s film “Fatni” alone…so maybe not a complete absolution. And Dawkins in the past as confused his anti-thiest views with other ‘nut jobs’ like Bill Maher

He then says “Dawkins rhetoric is taken nearly verbatim from the playbook of the British Nationalist Party”. Again with no references.

everyone-is-or-was-born-an-atheist-21590774He claims Dawkins “spins wild conspiracy theories” about multiculturalism is really ‘Muslim’. Again a willful twisting of the facts. Dawkins does condemn Muslim schools (especially those that teach creationism)…but he equally decries the building and funding of any religious school (again especially teaching creationism…be it Jewish, Christian, Muslim or even Norse creationism as science and not literature/mythology). To claim this is an attack on Islam and thus Islamophobia is making the same disingenuous and malicious conflation of criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. 

atheist-cartoon_thumbWhat makes Dawkins and others easy targets is there is some crossover. If your culture is also your religion…and your religion tells you to do something horrible like mutilate the genitalia of your daughters…well, if you decry this are your being a bigot or Islamophobia? Or are you just a sane human? (And no, I am not saying ALL Muslims or even most believe in this practice.  Must I be willfully ignorant and pretend that it is not part of the Islamic tradition in some parts of the world? Am I forever denied to decry this atrocity for fear of being labelled racist or Islamophobia if I do?[2])

He criticises Dawkins for the comment:

“Religion is also the underlying source of the divisiveness in the Middle East, which motivated the use of this deadly weapon in the first place.”

How is this not true? The major source of instability in the Middle East is Israel…Israel, by its own claims, is a Jewish or religious state. Its major antagonist in the region is Iran, also a religious state but of the Islamic flavour.

He concludes with the rant:

“How the New Atheists’ anti-Muslim hate advances their belief that God does not exist is not exactly clear… Proving that a religion — any religion — is evil, though, is just as pointless and impossible an endeavor as trying to prove that God does or doesn’t exist. Neither has been accomplished yet. And neither will.”

Let me conclude by reiterating that just because you claim (or are) an atheists (new or otherwise) does not mean you cannot also be a racist, sexist or Islamophobe. I have mentioned (and written about) Sam Harris who I think IS an Islamophobe…but this is not because he is an atheist but because he is a nationalistic right-wing conservative.

In the same way that not all Muslims are anti-Semitic, it is true there are some. It is also true that some bigots use the cover of atheism to voice their racism…but these can be easily weeded out by checking on the consistency, verbosity and vitriol of their comments.

Lastly, Dawkins is no saint…there are a number of things you could complain about his attitudes. We have (and not exclusively) discussed his ‘apparent’ misogyny…he is known for making inappropriate comments…he is an apologist for ‘non-religious’ churches (he likes the Anglican hymns). He’s an old white guy of privilege…and really, the only straw man you could find is he thinks Islam is evil…what a limited mind you must have.

 


[1] Note: You don’t have to read the book to share this opinion if you believe that I or another trusted person has read it and is providing accurate commentary that you now use as the bases of your opinion.

[2] And yes, the practice of circumcision, although not as horrific, is just as wrong if done for religious reasons.

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Radio Freethinker Episode 205 – Nuking Korea Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 2, 2013

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This week:
- Gates of Hell,
New Atheist Islamophobia,

Will the real True meaning of Easter please stand up, and
Korean War Redux,

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Gates of Hell

b7f261049357a42627fc426f67bab0f9baa12301It seems the Gates of Hell have been found. You can find them in Turkey along the historic “Greek coast”. So it seems that Pluto is the roman for Hades and Kore is really Persephone. This likely refers to “A” temple to Pluto and not the only one.

(don’s note:= we may have this wrong, not being a linguist but the column is supposed to say “Pluto” which looks like this in Greek “Πλούτων” while it may actually be saying “riches” which looks like this “ΠλΟΥΤ”" which looks like the image on the column)

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New Atheist Islamophobia

2009-11-06Salon posted an article by Nathan Lean that was a hatchet job on Richard Dawkins, claiming he…and all New Atheists are foaming at the month islamaphobes. Don debunks this as well as pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of the authors.

It should be noted, RFT does not believe in ‘deifying’ any person. We respect ideas and note no one is perfect. Although we pointed out the crappy journalism of Mr. Lean, we also point out there are genuine areas of criticism and some “new atheist” (Sam Harris) are islamphobes, but because of the right wing ideology not their atheism.

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Will the real True meaning of Easter please stand up

Easter-Eggs-Motivational-PosterEthan reviews the latest debate about the pagan connection to Easter.

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Korean War Redux

There has been a lot of talk and worry about the possibility of war breaking out between North and South Korea. Don looks into the history of the peninsular  the war (which never ended), the politics of North Korea and the myths surrounding the bellicose nation.

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a look at Pyongyang

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Skeptic Highlights

Skeptics in the Pub featuring a Skeptical Pub Quiz Smackdown!! Tuesday April 16th at 7:30pm at the Railway Club downtown Vancouver – Following in the tradition of the Canadian Skeptical Pub Quiz Smackdown, we have created a new pub quiz that tests your knowledge of science, history, pop culture and of course, skepticism. We’ll be having the pub quiz at the Railway Club as part of our usual night of Skeptics in the Pub.

 

A few other cities may join us in hosting their own pub quiz, so there could be a chance to compare your skeptical knowledge with those across the country. Regardless, what is at stake is the claim of smartest 4-person team of skeptic-know-it-alls here in Vancouver!

 

The quiz includes multiple rounds of questions, matching, multimedia and other surprises, so study up! Assemble your team of 4 people and come ready to compete (or form your team with a few others after you arrive).

https://www.facebook.com/events/496711500389218/

 

CFI Canada has finally heard back from the new Office of Religious Freedom and has set up a meeting On Thursday, April 4th with the ambassador to discuss secular issues. CFI wants to hear from you about what important points you want them to bring up. So let them know cases of atheists persecution and other freedom from religion points.
You can Tweet @cficanada – Use the hashtag #atheistORF

you can email at feedback@cficanada.ca

and you can post on Facebook.

 

I don’t have to add how important this is to global atheism and secularism but also to the reputation of Canada as a defender of human rights.

 

http://action.centerforinquiry.net/site/MessageViewer?em_id=38021.0

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Radio Freethinker Episode 204 – Panda Politics Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on March 26, 2013

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This week:
- New Pope old problems,
- Creationist’s $10,000 challenge,

- Librarians and loyalties, and
Panda Politics

Download the episode here!

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New Pope old problems

76228_600We originally thought the new pope, although having his own baggage, was not tainted by the ‘hiding pedophile priest’ scandal. Well, new report shows that even this humble friar had his role in covering up and moving around disgraced clergy.

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Creationist’s $10,000 challenge

edgeDr. Joseph Mastropaolo is offering $10,000 to any individual (who is willing to put up their own $10,000)  who can “prove that science contradicts the literal reading of Genesis”. If you win, you get the $20,000. If on the other hand, they prove “proves that science indicates the literal reading of Genesis” they win.

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Librarians and loyalties

Fullscreen capture 02072012 25803 PM-001Don reviews changes to the Code of Conduct for Library and Archives of Canada. The insistence of a ‘duty of loyalty’ to the government as opposed to the nation of Canada strikes as tones of totalitarianism. In the light of many other policies, decisions and legislation  one can not help but get the feeling Harper things HE is the nation, civil servants can’t be trusted and the less the people know the better for the government.

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Panda Politics

DEA3795sq-1024x1024Pandas has been an intricate part of Chinese diplomacy for centuries. Since the 1970′s the People Republic has used them to open the doors to the non-communist world.

Two of the bi-coloured fur balls are not in Canada; what does it mean, why did we get them and what did we give up? Could our Prime Minster spend his time doing something more important than pimping Pandas?

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Skeptical Highlights:

Medicines from the Ivory Tower

What:

The Istituto teams up once again with ARPICO, the Society of Italian Researchers and Professionals of Western Canada, to present a fascinating talk celebrating the 50th anniversary of the awarding of the Nobel Prize to Italian scientist Giulio Natta. Organic chemistry, the branch of chemical science that focuses on carbon-based materials, permits the conversion of basic resources, such as petroleum and coal, into valuable end-products that are the hallmark of technologically advanced societies. Organic chemistry enabled Giulio Natta to usher in the era of advanced plastics. Today, researchers rely on organic chemistry to create the medicines of the future. This talk by UBC’s Prof. Marco Ciufolini will briefly highlight the work of Giulio Natta, before illustrating how advances in organic chemistry are spawning the therapies of the 21st Century.

Where:

Istituto Italiano Di Cultura – 500W. Hastings, Vancover

When:

Wednesday, MAR 27, 2013, 6:15 PM

Cost:

Free

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Free Will Redux

Posted by Don McLenaghen on March 21, 2013

nofreewilltopOur discussion about freewill inspired by the Sam Harris’s recent book has resulted in some debate in our listener community. One issue raised was a technical definition of the terms. One point raised was “no choice” vs. “could not have chosen otherwise”.

I think the confusion lies in the term “choice”…if the world were different, the agent would have acted differently. In philosophy this is called the compatibilist position on freewill; however to me it’s more changing what freewill means to make it ‘compatible’ with “objective” reality and our “subjective” experience. I could redefine a square so it fits a round hole, but I have not really “squared the circle”.

The word “choice” also exposes a problem with language. It is an undisputable fact that we ‘experience’ freewill; that choice has meaning. However, it is also an undisputable fact we ‘experience’ the sun moves around   the earth. The language we use, presupposed a ‘choice’…a captain at the helm if you will. I have the same trouble when I talk about ethics. As an anti-theist atheist, I am still forced to use terms like ‘evil’…there are other ways of saying something like “Hitler was a person who caused great suffering to the world and had no moral remorse” or I could say “Hitler was evil”.

So, in a discussion of freewill the word “choice”, as we commonly understand it, is meaningless. There is no choice…ever! If we use choice (and as mentioned language often forces this term on our discussion) what is really meant is ‘The possible outcomes of a probabilistic event’ or ‘the actualized outcome of said event’ <more on probabilistic later>

Now, I should point out that Ethan and I have a different view of freewill. It is possible to confuse determinism with fatalism if you are not careful; however neither Ethan nor I are fatalist but again language forces (or tricks) us into sounding like there is agency when that’s not our intent.

Fatalism does implicitly need an active agent to “keep you on track”.  This has three parts; first that our life has a destiny…a predetermined path that we are destined to follow.

It also entails the need for some omniscient entity who knows the ‘fate of the universe’. It sees that we have a destiny that we must achieve and it is the job of this entity to ensure we ‘have our date with destiny’.

However, it also implies classical free choice; that we have the ability, if only fleetingly, to deny our destiny and act ‘freely’ and with choice. If we did not have freewill, then we could not go ‘off track’; there would be no job for this ‘omniscient destiny maintenance entity’ to do.

Now, one listener stated that “In determinism, the number of paths available is as big as the universe”. Here I think they are confusing probabilistic determinism with classical determinism.

determinant-probabilistic-spectrum-and-complexityClassical determinism has one and only one singular path. In its classic form, if one could know the exact state of the universe down to the infinitesimal detail, one could calculate the state of the universe at any point in the future (and I think implicitly the past). If there were more paths, then strictly speaking it cannot be deterministic.

Probabilistic determinism or quantum determinism (if I can create jargon) combines the deterministic laws of nature with the randomness of quantum instability.

It may be best to think of this as two parts. First, there are a set of possible actions or outcomes of event “X”. This set is determined by the initial state and the laws of science…this set is really anything that is not impossible. In this way, the idea previously mentioned, “the number of paths available”, could be infinite.

The other part is anti-deterministic…or random chance…or quantum flux. So, at the smaller granulations of the universe determinism breaks down to the randomness of the quantum mechanics. This randomness is not complete chance; each path has a greater or lesser probability of being ‘actualized’. We now have a set of possible paths and a probability of the likelihood each one will ultimately be the outcome of event “X”. At some point, this ‘superposition’ is collapsed and the event happens.

Now, unlike what some pseudo-sciency types may profess; there is no freewill in the quantum world either; there are only two ‘choices’ – either its determined by conditions and laws or its random – neither have ‘you’ making a choice.

NoFreeWillIn fact, I hold metaphysically freewill is impossible because there is no third choice; it’s either the outcome of rules (determined) or chance (probability). Even if we granted a ‘soul’ of some form, your ‘soul-self’ would have to make a choice…how do we make a choice? First we assess the current conditions, then we apply a set of rules and then we make a choice. But what is that choice? It’s either determined by our set of rules or it random…there is no third option. The idea of freewill, is to me, metaphysically incoherent. I could rant on this for pages, but hopefully you get the idea.

Now, it was mentioned that Ethan used a “meteor” hit as a way of explain why even if I choose to get candy I cannot. To be generous to Ethan, I think language fails here again. I think we are all on side with Harris, in that even if one accepted ‘freewill’ in some form, the constraints of the universe greatly restricts how it can be exercised.

So, although extreme, the point I think, is that much of what we perceive of our freedom really is quite constrained…I think to the point of not providing any space for freewill; I am less sure Ethan would agree there is NO room for freewill.

And this leads to a justifiable comment that although we may not have a complete understanding of how the brain works, we cannot rule out freewill. That said, all the evidence so far has not turned up even a mechanism for freewill…to me, freewill has even less possibility than psychic abilities like pre-cognition.

This argument about neuroscience does point out to a degree of what I would call ‘brain fetishism’; that freewill as we use it is exclusively the purview of the human mind…why? Largely it is a hangover of our religious background that postulated the immaterial ‘soul’ as the source of freewill and that souls were exclusively for humans (although some argue/hope their pets may have souls as well and animist give souls to everything).

If we accept that the immaterial cannot, by definition, interact with the material world; then why do we assume freewill exists only in the brain? Maybe the animists have it right, if I can have freewill, why not a cat, a tree or even a rock?

Now, we end on the great quandary of humanity experience; we may know we have no freewill but we have no choice but to act as though we do.  One listener mentions that we can ‘affect’ determinism through education and advertising…that “if we see someone going down the path towards crime we should be compassionate and help them”. As already discussed, no, you can’t.

The quandary though is we cannot curl up and be ‘fatalistic’…in the same way we are condemned to experience the world in 3 dimension regardless of the fact(?) there are many more, likewise we must ‘exercise’ our freewill for the betterment of society.

This is why I call for a reform in the moralistic attitude we have to criminal justice. Crimes are committed and society must protect itself from these actions but we do not need to add to this a moral judgment when such a judgment is based on an illusionary foundation. The role of prisons should be a) protect society, b) provide social restitution and c) provide rehabilitation.

I think, whether I have a choice or not, I will advocate for a better educated, more communal society. One of the gifts of intelligence is to be able to take the raw material of experience and manipulated it so as to have a more accurate and better view of reality.

One must ask, if I could somehow ‘train’ myself NOT to experience the world with ‘free will’ what would that be like? Would it be as alien as being able to see 4 dimensions or a simple looking beyond the ‘apparent’ difference of race or gender and perceiving all as just people?

I hope that clarifies things…not that we have any choice in that <LOL>.

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Battling the Anti-Vaccination Movement

Posted by Ethan Clow on March 20, 2013

It’s been a busy month for skeptical activists in Vancouver. I wanted to write about some of the recent news regarding an anti-vaccination conference that was held at the Simon Fraser University, here in Vancouver.

The anti-vaccination conference was organized by this group: the Vaccine Resistance Movement. When we learned of it, myself and the volunteers at the Centre for Inquiry Vancouver decided to put together an open letter to the president of SFU, Andrew Petter.

We then canvased for signatures from those within CFI but also medical and scientific experts at UBC and SFU who could add their credentials to the letter. We were impressed by how many were willing to sign it. Once the letter was complete, we sent it to the president, and published a press release regarding the conference and letter.

Additionally, the department of health sciences at SFU also issued a strongly worded letter regarding the anti-vaccination group speaking at SFU.

Once news of this started to spread, the story went viral (no pun intended) and I did a number of interviews with the press regarding this issue.

The story appeared in print in The Province newspaper “SFU urged to block anti-vaccine gathering

I was also on CBC Radio On The Coast to discuss the issue, as well as CBC News, which did a great job covering the story.

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Additionally Global BC covered the story, as well I appeared on Sun Media, on the CKNW radio station, BCIT’s radio station, French CBC, and another CBC news story. In short, there was a lot of media interest for this story.

Given all this, I wanted to take some time to discuss some of the finer points of concern we had with SFU renting space to the anti-vaccine group, as well as some of the remarks concerning free speech and academic freedom.

We’ve discussed some of this at length. You can check out recent episodes of Radio Freethinker for more details, including a blog post Don wrote about free speech.

Our Concerns

The motivation behind everything we did was our concern that the anti-vaccination movement is dangerous. This is the reason we felt it inappropriate that SFU was renting space to them, this was why we felt it inappropriate to let this event happen without raising our concerns to local media, and this is why we felt it necessary to reach out to the scientific community.

I don’t think I need to convince many readers here of the dangers of the anti-vaccination movement. We are, after all, talking about a medical invention that has saved millions (if not billions) of lives and helped to eradicate dangerous infectious diseases and forms one of the foundational pillars of public health the world over.

Since SFU is a prestigious university with a reputation for science, education and higher learning, their approval of the anti-vaccine conference can lend tacit approval of their message. Essentially, giving space can be seen as SFU saying “these ideas have merit”.

It should come as no surprise that we at CFI took issue with that. There is the added danger that while a scientifically literate person would rightly chalk up the claims made by the anti-vax movement as ludicrous or conspiracy theories of the extreme level. But for a person with no prior scientific background to hear about a conference being held at SFU, they could naturally assume that SFU at least considers these ideas valid and when they see these ideas presented in a university setting, with supposed experts giving talks, it could very easily appear to have the markings of truth.

Vancouver recently had outbreaks of pertussis (whooping cough) and outbreaks of measles has occurred in the Fraser valley. Measles, whooping cough and other infectious diseases have seen outbreaks across North American and several have been located in Canada.

In order for herd immunity to be effective (the process by which a large number of people who are immunized protect those who can’t be) needs to be around 90% for whooping cough. However, in BC, those levels are between 60 – 70% making an outbreak potentially a catastrophic public health risk.

What about free speech?

The defence of free speech was almost immediately brought up by SFU once this story began to make the rounds. Disappointingly, it was also taken up by a number of skeptics as well. Before getting into this, we need to define what free speech is and why this particular case isn’t a free speech issue.

First, the point of free speech is to protect new ideas. The whole point is allow a “free market place” of ideas. By freeing ourselves from censorship, we allow new, potentially revolutionary ideas to be explored. Is the anti-vax movement a new, revolutionary idea?

Unpopular, unpleasant, or controversial claims are protected under free speech because these ideas could spur on new innovations, social change, or improvement. Is there potential for new innovations, social change or improvement brought about by the anti-vax movement?

Free speech is important because the airing of unpopular or controversial ideas is often difficult and can cause trouble for authorities. Therefore, criticism of the government, police, universities, scientists, sports teams etc are protected.

A science controversy vs free speech?

The anti-vax movement is a series of lies or what I call a “manufactured controversy.” Initially, under the guise of science, concerns about the safety of vaccines were brought to light. It turns out that the claims about vaccine safety were unfounded. Worse, the evidence for these claims was revealed to be fraudulent. There were conflict of interests that cast serious doubts into the motives of the people involved. In short, there were no grounds for a scientific controversy.

In the same sense there are no grounds for a scientific controversy over evolution, a flat earth or climate change.

However, through lies, fraudulent research and ethically dubious methods, a controversy was presented to the public built on foundations of misinformation.

Science, unlike other arenas of public discourse, is not a free democracy of ideas. Something is true or it isn’t. Gravity exists or it doesn’t. You evolved or you didn’t. Vaccines work or they don’t work.

Unlike other social issues where there is often two sides of a problem, science isn’t structured this way. There are not two sides to the theory of gravity for example.

The term “academic freedom” has been used in the past by creationists trying to teach creationism and/or remove the teaching of evolution in public classrooms. This tactic relies on the misunderstanding that science is like other issues where there are two sides and to not air all opinions amounts to censorship. Of course this view ignores the fact that its unethical to present incorrect information as though it were true.

Censorship

Censorship occurs when free speech is stifled or suppressed. For example, if the Harper government were to have me arrested for speaking about climate change, or revoke resources from scientists for speaking out about climate change.

However there are certain circumstances were we except censorship. The often used example is shouting “fire!” in a crowded theatre. And yes, that’s actually happened. In Canada, we also have hate speech laws that restrict what you can say (these laws are controversial obviously, but important to point out as they set legal precedent)

Most of us are willing to accept some limitations on free speech that directly contributes to public harm. If you think about it logically, some restrictions make sense, phoning up 911 for chit-chat, yelling fire in a crowded area, bullying, harassment etc.

However, the anti-vaccination moment, in my opinion, does not fall into the category of censorship of speech at all. And in fact, we weren’t calling on them to be “censored” anyway.

Keeping in mind what I wrote about scientific controversies vs manufactured controversies, we can see how the anti-vaccination movement is making claims. Specific, testable, claims about vaccines and public health. In much the same way that Health Canada of the FDA would prevent drug companies from lying about what their medications can cure, so to should the anti-vaccation movement be limited in the medical claims they can make.

No one would deny that its important cigarette companies are prevented from lying and saying smoking will make you healthy or that fast food companies are prevented from lying about the health benefits of burgers and fries.

If I started telling people that drinking paint would cure cancer, should I not be held responsible for my opinions? Should there not be consequences for lying to the public and endangering public health?

Of course, the “limitations” I’m suggesting are mitigated by the circumstances of such claims. If someone wishes to use snake oil medications, that’s their call. We don’t want to ban homoeopathy, only have honest descriptions of what the product is.

With the case of the anti-vaccination movement, using SFU as a venue is a similar situation. SFU is like the bottle the snake oil comes in. It provides the legitimacy and the veneer of scientific credibility. And this is why we were so disappointed and concerned. Had SFU reviewed the request for a room booking and decided (on the grounds I listed above, that this is presenting a manufactured medical controversy and is unethical) to turn down the group, we would have no issue.

Why Not Protest

Some people asked us why we weren’t protesting this event as we’ve done for other pseudoscience events like when Deepak Chopra came to Vancouver.

In our experience of doing this sort of “protest” we’ve learned a few things as to what factors can make them successful. And in this case, it doesn’t look like such a “protest” would work.

Choice of venue is really important for such an event. Since the venue is inside the university, we would immediately be shown out once we start annoying the attendees. We’d only be allowed on the sidewalk, which is far away from the entrance and people would just walk around us.

Given that they had extra security there, we expected they would be looking for trouble. Also, the anti-vaccination people can be a very hostile bunch and its likely loud aggressive arguments would break out. This actually happened to me the last time I was at an anti-vaccination event.

The other problem is confronting attendees with counter information will likely only entrench them deeper in their conspiracies. Generally speaking, the goal of such a protest would be to encourage critical thinking in fence sitters, people who haven’t made up their minds. Yet, the people likely to be attending this conference don’t fall into this demographic.

Any such protest needs to be carefully planned with a strict understanding of what the goals and objectives are. In this particular case, we really couldn’t guarantee any of our objectives would be met, and if anything, we might just hurt our cause in the process.

Conclusion

Overall I’m very happy with the way things turned out. There was some concern that we would be giving the anti-vaccination movement free publicity but after watching and listening to media that covered the event, I realize that they did an excellent job of showcasing the harm of the anti-vax community.

I think that shining a light on the dangers of pseudo science is a major objective for the skeptic community. If more people are made aware of the potential harm that anti-vaccination propaganda can do, they might be a little safer.

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Radio Freethinker Episode 203 – Who Killed JC Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on March 19, 2013

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This week:
- Who killed JC?,
- What are the Ides and are they only in March?,
- Faith and Crime,

- New Pope with baggageand
Atheist Discrimination vs Religious Freedom

Download the episode here!

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Who killed JC?

hre0009lWe all probably have heard the quote “BE WARE THE IDES OF MARCH” and the ensuing assassination of Julius Caesar (JC). Was Brutus the real killer or was he a patsy for a deeper conspiracy…listen and find out.

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What are the Ides and are they only in March?

enan337lWe have heard about the Ides….but what the heck are they? Don gives a history lesson about who the Romans tell time during the month.

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Faith and Crime

rcln381lDon reviews new research that shows how active criminals use theology to enable/excuse/validate their criminal activities

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New Pope with baggage

dewar cartoon march 17 2013 col.jpgThe Catholic Church has a new Pope, who is he? Does he come with come darker baggage? Is he the right person to rescue the church form its current troubles. Poster Pope or A Pope on a Poster?

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Atheist Discrimination vs Religious Freedom

religious-freedom-cartoonThe UN so far has resisted appeals from atheist and non-believers to be identified in the UN charter of rights as a group that is specifically targeted for discrimination and persecuted because of their non-belief.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Priorities for the Second Obama Administration

U.S. consul general Anne Callaghan gives the next lecture in the Diplomatic Circle series where she gives the unfiltered (but always slanted) position of Obama and the USA administration. Take with a grain of salt, but straight for the horses as…er, mouth.

When: March 20, 2013 @ 4:30

Where: Fairleigh Dickinson University, 842 Cambie, Vancouver

Cost: Free

Harper Monologue: The Politics of Hate and Fear

Rage Resist Rebel presents a dramatic performance linking a fierce artistic critique of Harper’s policies to a clear reminder of the power of resistance. Cosponsored by the SFU Women’s Centre and SFU’s Out on Campus.

When: March 21, 2013 @ 7:30

Where: SFU Harbour Centre, Vancouver

Cost: by donation

International Socialist Conference: Ideas to Change the World

Discuss alternatives to the current system, the ongoing Egyptian revolution, and Canada’s Idle No More movement.

When: March 23, 2013 @ 11:30

Where: Langara College, Vancouver

Cost: Free

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