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Radio Freethinker Episode 209 – BC Beliefs Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 30, 2013

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This week:
- Zipper hits 100,
- Rubber Ducking Fluoridation,

- Are state religions good for atheism
, and
- The Humanist Report – Polling BC’s Beliefs,

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Zipper hits 100

zipper3Look between your legs and give a salute, the Zipper has its 100th birthday. We talk about its history, trivia and how it may be the most dangerous piece of clothing ever invented!

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Rubber Ducking Fluoridation

Unholy_threeFluoridation is being attacked in Portland. We discuss the science and the fear-mongering around the issue. Is anti-fluoridation proponents using the same rubber duck tactics as the anti-vax movement?

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Are state religions good for atheism

722184_525_380_wIts a paradox that nations like Norway have some of the highest church membership while simultaneously also have the highest number of atheist. One article proposed that atheist should not fight state religion but promote it, it worked in Norway…or did it?

We discuss the article and the paradox.

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The Humanist Report – Polling BC’s Beliefs

Ian Bushfield from the BC Humanist Association drops by again to tell us the result the association got from polling it sponsored about the beliefs of BCers.

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Skeptic Highlights

Tubes and Exchanges: Discovering the Real Places of the Internet

Journalist Andrew Blum explores the Internet’s physical evolution over time and how centralized hubs called Internet Exchanges are making it faster and more affordable for everyone in the cities where they operate.

The talk is based upon his book “Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet” and he’s done a TED talk.

When: Thursday, MAY 02, 2013, 7 PM
Where: SFU Harbour Centre, Vancouver
Cost: Free
Link: Register here

2013 B.C. Election: The Missing News

With the mainstream press increasingly preoccupied with the election horserace, it’s often left up to independent and alternative media organizations to tell the real stories and cover the real issues. This is especially true in BC, where our corporate media landscape is one of the most highly concentrated in the country. What can our province’s independent media outlets offer and what role will they play once the writ drops on April 16?

Panel discussion featuring the Wilderness Committee’s Gwen Barlee, Newswatch Canada’s Bob Hackett, Gender-Focus.com’s Jarrah Hodge, and Rabble.ca’s Derrick O’Keefe.

When: Friday, MAY 03, 2013, 7pm
Where: SFU Harbour Centre, Vancouver, Vancouver
Cost: Free
Link: Register here

BC Humanist Association

Donate and join

Link: here

Imagine no Religion 3

The annual atheist skeptic conference in Kamloops is happening this May. It features a line up of speakers including Dan Dennett, Richard Carrier, Chris DiCarlo, Taslima Nasreen and more. I encourage you to register now.

When: May 17 to 19
Where: Kamloops Coast Hotel and Convention Centre, Kamloops
Cost: $349.00
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Radio Freethinker Episode 208 – Boston Bombing Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on April 23, 2013

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This week:
- Reid and Religion,
- The Scottish Atheist
, and
The Boston Bombing,

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Reid and Religion

theplaygroundWe talk about a speech given in parliament by MP. Reid. He was speaking against blasphemy laws but in his defense of blasphemy in the name of freedom of religion, he got a number of things wrong.

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The Scottish Atheist

tumblr_m50b6uipHc1rs8qdwo1_500Don defends the position that there is a difference between being an atheist and a ‘good’ atheist. Without applying the scientific skeptical tool kit, you are not really a skeptic/atheist.

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The Boston Bombing

The new WMD

The new WMD

In the wake of the Boston Marathon Bombing, Don contemplates a number of issues that came to mind. What is transforms a criminal attack to a terrorist attack. Why do Americans accept 30,000+ gun deaths a year as just the cost of freedom while putting no limits on its efforts to prevent even 1 terrorist death.

The bomber is being charged with using a weapon of mass destruction  Does the term WMD have any real meaning anymore?

In the wake of conspiracy theories being inspired by this event, we discuss how the standards of ethics of the state security forces has changed over the last 20 years. 

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Skeptic Highlights

All Candidates Debate—West End Community

The theme of the debate will focus on the West End’s affordability, housing, food, and seniors’ issues

When: Wednesday, April 25, 2013,  7–9 pm
Where: Central Presbyterian Church, 1155 Thurlow, Vancouver
Cost: Free

Vancouver Strategic Studies Conference

Panel discussions on Canada’s role in the Middle East. Panellists include British Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk, former army commander Ed Fitch, Afghan-Canadian journalist and director Nelofer Pazira, and various other diplomats, journalists, and historians.

When: April 26, 2013, 6:30 pm till  April 27, 2013, 4pm
Where: Royal United Services Institute, Vancouver
Cost: Reg: $35  / Student: $20
Link: Register here

Drinking with Portals

Geekenders have a monthly club night which features a burlesque and variety show, costume and trivia contests, and geeky dancing. Costumes are strongly encouraged at the club nights and each show has a costume theme with off-theme costumes always welcome

When: April 26, 2013, 6:00 pm
Where: The Roxy Cabaret, Vancouver
Cost: Cover: $10
Link: Register here

CFI Presents

The Science of Vaccines: A Panel Discussion

 The panel will discuss the reasons why vaccines are one of the foundations of public health and take questions on the creation of vaccines, how they work, and more. The panel features Dr. Jamie Scott: Professor in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry and the Faculty of Health Sciences at SFU, Dr. David Scheifele: Director, Vaccine Evaluation Center (VEC) at BC Children’s Hospital and Professor of Pediatrics (Infectious Diseases) UBC, and Dr. Monika Naus: Medical Director, Immunization Programs & Vaccine Preventable Diseases, BCCDC. 

When:  Friday, April 26, 2013, 7:00 pm
Where: SFU Harbour Centre, Barrick Gold Lecture Room (Room #1700), Vancouver
Cost: Free but donation are welcome and joining CFI encouraged
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George Hrab at the Railway Club

In addition to the two hour set George is performing on stage at the Railway Club, there will be limited tickets available for a private reception in the back bar where you can meet and socialize with George and fellow attendees and even hear an acoustic set from George. You can purchase tickets at

When:  Sunday, April 28th 2013, 6:00 pm
Where: The Railway Club, 579 Dunsmuir St, Vancouver
Cost:  Free but donation are welcome and joining CFI encouraged
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Imagine no Religion 3

The annual atheist skeptic conference in Kamloops is happening this May. It features a line up of speakers including Dan Dennett, Richard Carrier, Chris DiCarlo, Taslima Nasreen and more. I encourage you to register now.

When: May 17 to 19
Where: Kamloops Coast Hotel and Convention Centre, Kamloops
Cost: $349.00
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Radio Freethinker Episode 203 – Who Killed JC Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on March 19, 2013

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This week:
- Who killed JC?,
- What are the Ides and are they only in March?,
- Faith and Crime,

- New Pope with baggageand
Atheist Discrimination vs Religious Freedom

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Who killed JC?

hre0009lWe all probably have heard the quote “BE WARE THE IDES OF MARCH” and the ensuing assassination of Julius Caesar (JC). Was Brutus the real killer or was he a patsy for a deeper conspiracy…listen and find out.

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What are the Ides and are they only in March?

enan337lWe have heard about the Ides….but what the heck are they? Don gives a history lesson about who the Romans tell time during the month.

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Faith and Crime

rcln381lDon reviews new research that shows how active criminals use theology to enable/excuse/validate their criminal activities

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New Pope with baggage

dewar cartoon march 17 2013 col.jpgThe Catholic Church has a new Pope, who is he? Does he come with come darker baggage? Is he the right person to rescue the church form its current troubles. Poster Pope or A Pope on a Poster?

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Atheist Discrimination vs Religious Freedom

religious-freedom-cartoonThe UN so far has resisted appeals from atheist and non-believers to be identified in the UN charter of rights as a group that is specifically targeted for discrimination and persecuted because of their non-belief.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Priorities for the Second Obama Administration

U.S. consul general Anne Callaghan gives the next lecture in the Diplomatic Circle series where she gives the unfiltered (but always slanted) position of Obama and the USA administration. Take with a grain of salt, but straight for the horses as…er, mouth.

When: March 20, 2013 @ 4:30

Where: Fairleigh Dickinson University, 842 Cambie, Vancouver

Cost: Free

Harper Monologue: The Politics of Hate and Fear

Rage Resist Rebel presents a dramatic performance linking a fierce artistic critique of Harper’s policies to a clear reminder of the power of resistance. Cosponsored by the SFU Women’s Centre and SFU’s Out on Campus.

When: March 21, 2013 @ 7:30

Where: SFU Harbour Centre, Vancouver

Cost: by donation

International Socialist Conference: Ideas to Change the World

Discuss alternatives to the current system, the ongoing Egyptian revolution, and Canada’s Idle No More movement.

When: March 23, 2013 @ 11:30

Where: Langara College, Vancouver

Cost: Free

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The Atheist Church?

Posted by Don McLenaghen on March 17, 2013

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There has been a movement lately to establish a ‘church’ for the atheist community. No, these are not attempts by the Christian community to convert atheist but atheist themselves, and mainly apostate, who miss the community that comes with a church life.

Web-Banner-2A pair of well-meaning comedians setup the first British Atheist Church in an old Anglican Church in London and there are plans afoot to set up other churches in other cities across the isle. At the UK branch, there is singing…Stevie Wonder, Queen, etc…there are lectures on topics like ‘the origin of anti-matter’…public reading of works like Alice in Wonderland…and other communal activities.

Although officially called the Sunday Service, the title Atheist Church has stuck and seems to be welcomed the participants or ‘parishioners’.

There is a Calgary Secular Church, which meets in a theater once a month. Which, to quote…”allows like-minded people the chance to get together, to fellowship, to share stories, to enjoy beautiful music, to have their children get excellent ethical and rational instruction, to be enlightened, and most importantly, to know they are not alone!”

Now there are a number of interesting things about this movement. A lot of those who are members are emphasizing the community aspect of it. To quote another ‘parishioner’: “I think people need that sense of connectedness because everyone is so singular right now, and to be part of something, and to feel like you are part of something. That’s what people are craving in the world”

Now, of course I have some issues with this. First, the term ‘church’ is explicitly a Christian term from Greek meaning “belonging to the lord” and they don’t mean the Lord of Downton Abby. A better term would be Congregational.

Yes, there are religious groups who use that term but at root it just stands for a gathering of people…which is really the whole point of this movement.

Now, the term religion is perhaps worse…not in its definition, but its long-term implications.

pknn937lReligion is defined as “A particular system of faith and worship”, but as skeptical or scientific atheists, you would never adhere to a system of faith. Faith of course is believing in something without evidence.

And the idea of worshiping anything should strike, at least the skeptic, as anathema. There is an aspect to the concept of worship that implied blindly following ….always right …a surrender of will.

The irony is such ‘churches’ at least as communal support groups already exist around the world. There are the Skeptics in the Pub phenomena…and no, not all of them are in Pubs, which just goes to show how this idea has stretched its original form. It is in the processes of transforming from a drinking club into a skeptical community center.

Another worry I have about the Atheist Church, is that its members are not necessarily atheist but “no-religion’. That is, they believe in a higher power or some form of spiritualism that is not founded in reality. Why this becomes troublesome is some of these types are actively pushing to make this church a real religion in the traditional sense.

One petitioner stated: “It will become an organised religion. It’s inevitable. A belief system will set in. There will be a structure, an ethical outlook on life”

mlyn1447lTo show signs that there may be dogma in dem-der atheist pews, there are a number of “10 commandments” for atheist popping up. This set is from writer Alain de Botton’s Atheist Manifesto and the default commandments of the UK Atheist Church:

1. Resilience. Keeping going even when things are looking dark.

2. Empathy. The capacity to connect imaginatively with the sufferings and unique experiences of another person.

3. Patience. We should grow calmer and more forgiving by getting more realistic about how things actually tend to go.

4. Sacrifice. We won’t ever manage to raise a family, love someone else or save the planet if we don’t keep up with the art of sacrifice.

5. Politeness. Politeness is very linked to tolerance, the capacity to live alongside people whom one will never agree with, but at the same time, can’t avoid.

6. Humour. Like anger, humour springs from disappointment, but it’s disappointment optimally channelled.

7. Self-Awareness. To know oneself is to try not to blame others for one’s troubles and moods; to have a sense of what’s going on inside oneself, and what actually belongs to the world.

8. Forgiveness. It’s recognising that living with others isn’t possible without excusing errors.

9. Hope. Pessimism isn’t necessarily deep, nor optimism shallow.

10. Confidence. Confidence isn’t arrogance, it’s based on a constant awareness of how short life is and how little we ultimately lose from risking everything.

fullNot to be left out, the Calgary Secular Church has their own set of commandments which are taken from activist writer Adam Lee:

First Commandment: Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.

Second Commandment: In all things, strive to cause no harm.

Third Commandment: Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.

Fourth Commandment: Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.

Fifth Commandment: Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.

Sixth Commandment: Always seek to be learning something new.

Seventh Commandment: Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.

Eighth Commandment: Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.

Ninth Commandment: Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.

Tenth Commandment: Question everything.

Again, Commandment is an edict that must be obeyed…skeptics do not obey, they follow the evidence.

So, I think that as a minority community in a greater society there is a longing to connect with ‘our kind’ in the same way that religious or ethnic groups form inner-communities. There have been many attempts to form these inner-communities and will be more in the future. I worry that this particular experiment carries dangerous baggage but a good skeptic believes in the experimental method, so maybe we try it out and see where it goes.

Adam Lee’s – The New Ten Commandments
Calgary Secular Church
10 new virtues for atheists: Alain de Botton unveils new manifesto
Good without God: Atheist churches offer non-believers community and ritual without faith
What happens at an atheist church?
The Sunday Assembly

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Radio Freethinker Episode 194 – Gun Violence Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on December 20, 2012

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This week:
- Counting Atheist,
Humanist Christmas
, and
- Gun special: Gun Control, Gun Reporting and the culture of Guns

Download the episode here! (Due to technical issues, this episode is not currently available)

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We discuss a current effort to do a global census of atheists.

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war_on_christmasHumanist Christmas

Don chats with BC Humanist Association’s executive director Ian Bushfield about the trials and tribulations to be an atheist during Christmas.

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Gun Violence Special:

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In the wake of the tragedy in Sandy Hook, we take an extended look at the role of gun violence in society.

Gun Control

gumscontrol_500We discuss the facts, myths and empirical evidence for gun control.

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Gun Reporting

schoolvultures_500Does the reporting of gun violence ‘glamour-ize’ gun violence? Is there an emotional ‘parasitism’ of news reporting during such events or is it just ‘human nature’? Does people’s desires feed what is reported or is it news reporting that manipulates desires?

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Culture of Guns

neverenoughAs Canadians, we are often gob-smacked and the American attitude to guns. To what degree does this gun worship actual foster the “shoot first’ mentality that often seem at the root of US gun violence problems.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Philosophers’ Café

Should outer space be governed?

When: Friday, Dec 21, 2012, 10:30 am

Where: West Vancouver Memorial Library, Welsh Hall East

Cost: Free

If so, what would be the most equitable way to govern? Should restrictions be placed on individual nations and businesses: financial, environmental, militaristic?

Join Randall MacKinnon, IDEASage of MackINNOVATION as he discusses and moderates this forum on the subject.

Change

When: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 2:00 PM

Where: Lynn Valley Main Library, North Vancouver

Cost: Free

The more things change, the more they stay the same? Is change faster and more profound than ever before? What survives change? (Why) Do we fear change?
Join  SFU and Douglas College instructor Michael Picard (moderator over 500 Philosophers’ Cafés) discusses and moderates this forum on the subject.

 

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Best of Radio Free Thinker – the 170s

Posted by Don McLenaghen on August 28, 2012

This week a recasting our some of our best bits from episodes past:

- Nuclear Salmon invade the West Coast,
- 5 Awful Atheists,
- Quack Medicine and your pets

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Topics:

Nuclear Salmon invade the West Coast

The recent front page of the Georgia Straight warns Canadians about the imminent and probably deadly threat to our lives from the nuclear fallow from the Fukushima reactor accident arriving in the form of radioactive fish. Don takes a critical eye to this story and exposed its bias and unscientific slant.  

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Awful Atheists

A recent article at Alternet.com ‘exposing’ the worst ‘stars’ of atheist. We discuss the people and the positives/negatives of these individuals. We end on a rift about how important it is to be an atheist for the right reasons…that a dogmatic atheist is no better than a fundamentalist   

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Quack Medicine and your pets

We respond to listener emails about the use of Alt-Med on our loved pets. We discuss the practice, the risks and the ethical responsibly of pet owners to not endanger their pets.

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Radio Freethinker Episode 166 – SkyTrain Fare-ness Edition

Posted by Don McLenaghen on May 15, 2012

This week:

- Apostate Norway,
- A most atheist country ,
- Religion and sports don’t mix,
- The Vatican Bubble,
- SkyTrain Fare-Gates.

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Topics:
Apostate Norway

Norway this week moved to change its constitution by removing reference to Norway as a Christian nation and cutting links between the state and the Church of Norway. A vote to happen Monday is expected to pass easily because even the Christian Democrats and the Conservative party supports this move.

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A most atheist country

We discuss the recent meta study that showed the strength of atheism and religion among nations with some surprising discoveries

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Religion and sports don’t mix

We give a brief overview about a controversy in Arizona where a catholic charter school refused to play the championship game because there was a girl on the opposition team.

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The Vatican Bubble

The Vatican has recently asked board members of its BioEthical committee to resign because the dared to ask scientific advice from non-catholics.

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SkyTrain Fare-Gates

We discuss the controversy regarding the soon to be installed fare-gates at SkyTrain stations with the aim of reducing ‘fair evasion’. We discuss how cost effective this tactic is, who is its target and ultimately are there better solutions to the issue of funding public mass transit in the GVRD.

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Skeptical Highlights:

Vancouver Earth Run

The 2012 Vancouver Earth Run will focus on the oceans. All proceeds will go to nonprofit organizations in the Vancouver area that work toward better understanding and management of our marine resources.

Where: Jericho Beach, Vancouver
When: Sunday, June 3, 2012
Cost:

$25 for the 5K run/walk
$35 for the 10K race

Tutankhamun: The Golden King and the Great Pharaohs
At Pacific Science Center in Seattle – May 24, 2012-January 6, 2013
The exhibition features more than 100 objects from King Tut’s tomb and ancient sites representing some of the most important rulers throughout 2,000 years of ancient Egyptian history. Tickets range from 24 to $27 depending on when you go.

Skeptics in the Pub – Down-town

Join us on Tuesday, May 15 at 7:30pm for another evening of skeptical fun, food, drinks, and conversation in the Railway Club’s back bar. Come out and discuss skepticism-related activities in Vancouver with your fellow science enthusiasts, rationalists, and critical thinkers, and maybe meet some new friends. As always, if you arrive late and they’re collecting a cover charge at the door, just tell them you’re with the skeptics’ group to get in for free.

Where: The Railway Club, 579 Dunsmuir Street, Vancouver
When: Thursday, May 15, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

Skeptics in the Pub Richmond

Skeptics in the Pub is a casual social event for local science enthusiasts who value critical thinking and skepticism.

Join us for drinks and food in a friendly atmosphere. It’s a great place to meet local skeptics, make new friends, and get involved and informed about new events and activities.

Where: Legends Pub in Richmond, 6511 Buswell Street, minutes from the Brighouse Skytrain station and Richmond Centre
When: Thursday, May 24, 2012, 7:30 pm
Cost: Free

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Double standards of terrorism – Part 4

Posted by Don McLenaghen on August 8, 2011

The regionalization of the term Terrorist

Some things we may learn from how the press and the security agencies react to terrorism.
First, it was almost comical in the rush to blame Muslims for the attack. Many a news organisation rush out the news that a Muslim extremist had attacked Norway. This is interesting in two ways: first the fact it was a ‘terrorist attack’ when everyone though it was done by a ‘brown person’ but quickly the rhetoric changed to ‘lone wolf’ or ‘crazy person’ then it was discovered the act was perpetrated by a ‘indigenous Norwegian’…the term terrorist did not seem to be appropriate for a blond haired local.

So, who qualifies as a terrorist seems to be dependent on religion or nationality. That is if a ‘brown person’ tries (and fails) to blow up a plane with explosive underwear… we have a terrorist; when a ‘white person’ assassinates a doctor in church…we have a crazy lone wolf, a disturbed individual.  If you take a look at the FBI’s most wanted terrorist list, you see that EVERY terrorist on the list is a Muslim…its only if you look at the page longer you see in small print the category ‘domestic terrorist’, which seem to be exclusively environmentalist, blacks or communist. One should note that the almost all the ‘most wanted terrorist’ list are for crimes committed outside the USA…typically the FBI has jurisdiction within USA territory with the CIA dealing with attacks on US interests outside the USA.

It’s interesting in a second sense that the vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe or the USA are not Muslims at all…in fact they account for a surprisingly small number. Worldwide their numbers grow but this is largely due to the fact that of the ‘big wars’ being waged – Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan – are Muslim countries and like any civil war, the locals are trying to outdo themselves in killing each other. Each day, about 150,000 die, of them about 23,000 are murdered…of them fewer than 50 are the result of Islamist militants and that number drops to 10 when you exclude the hotspots of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan.

If you look at popular “know it all” Wikipedia you may be lulled into thinking that the only terrorist attacks (at least in Europe or the USA) are by Muslims yet a little more research reveals that a large number (I would argue the vast majority) of terror attacks are not listed. I checked out ETA, a Basque separatist group in Spain. According to Wiki’s terror attacks of 2003, there were NO terrorist attacks in Spain, yet the number of attacks listed in the ETA page was 20 – yes, ETA is on the international list of terrorist organization.

Where has our journey taken us? Thanks to (or in spite of) our Norwegian terrorist, we have had the opportunity to investigate what Terrorism has come to mean in our society. Through the trauma of fear and pain we have allowed our culture to transform a word to describe an act of violence into a dehumanizing term of racism. The extreme right has latched on to the ‘struggle of civilization’…has concocted this ‘epic’ struggle in a (sadly successful) attempt to distract us from the true ills in our society. They have created the ‘OTHER’ that we must all sacrifice everything to defeat.

We have been blinded by the ‘rhetoric’ of terrorism so as to not see the inequality that has grown exponentially in our countries…not see the reciprocal violence hatred breeds when we adhere to the standard of an ‘eye for an eye’…not see that western imperialist (be it colonial or economic) have created much suffering in the world; suffering that has in its own turn led the traumatized to see terrorism as the only option at hand.

We are led by the racist and the xenophobic, by the profiteers and exploiters, and by the manipulative politicians and elites…we are being led not to preservation of our culture but the extinction of it.

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Double standards of terrorism – Chapter 3

Posted by Don McLenaghen on August 6, 2011

Who’s culpable for terrorism?

I thought it interesting the jump by many, sadly atheist and skeptics alike, to link any Muslim who does such a crime as being the natural outflowing of Islamic teaching. It is a knee jerk reaction of the ‘western media’ to assume any ‘major’ act of violence is somehow related to Islam. Many of us on the aggressive edge of atheism have been called to task for our readiness to join such condemnations even to the point of being co-opted by those with a racist or xenophobic agenda.

A number of us atheist types though were willing to label our Norwegian a “Christian terrorist”, however when this was done much commotion was raised by the Christian right that this was unfair. I found it offensive when some (notably Fox news, to no surprise) used the massacre in Norway as an opportunity to show the victimization of Christians because the term ‘terrorist’ and ‘Christian’ were used together. As we have already discussed the term “Christian Terrorist” does seem applicable in spite of the remonstrations of those on the right.

When the linkages are made for our violent Norwegian and Christianity, such links to the violence of Christianity are side stepped by claiming he was not a ‘true Christian’…that Christianity is a religion of tolerance, peace and love…sound familiar? This is the same thing that Muslim’s say when violence is tied to Islam…claims the Christian right routinely ignore and claim as only false propaganda; yet then they do it are we to think it honest? As someone who believes religion leads to bad thinking, I would hold that all religion is innately bad and potentially a gateway belief to violence. Religion may not be the ‘context’ for conflict but it is often the justification for it.

Now, the extreme right in Europe has tried to disavow our Norwegian…they explain that although our actor explicitly lists them as his inspiration, they cannot be held accountable for the actions of a ‘mad man’. Now it is true that people can read anything they wish into the writing of another. Many free-market libertarians often read Adam Smith as their inspiration while ignoring his strong beliefs in socialism and communal responsibility. That said, I think it simplest to list what they have said and let you, my wise reader, decide if these were misinterpretations of a madman or incitements to violence.

“Islam is a religion of violence. There can be no accommodation with it. They are trying to destroy us,”
Robert Spencer

“We wanted Catholics to become informed about Islam because not only is Islam the church’s chief rival in terms of religion but Islam is a serious threat to the peace and well-being of the Western world in general,”
Robert Spencer

Islam is the Trojan Horse in Europe. If we do not stop Islamification now, Eurabia…will just be a matter of time. One century ago, there were approximately 50 Muslims in the Netherlands. Today, there are about 1 million Muslims in this country. Where will it end?”
Geert Wilders

“Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology, the ideology of a retarded culture. I have a problem with Islamic tradition, culture, ideology.”
Geert Wilders

“America has been infiltrated on all levels by radicals who wish to harm America,” “In the Muslim world, extreme is mainstream,” she wrote. She said that there is a “cancer” infecting the world, and said: “The cancer is called Islamofacism. This ideology is coming out of one source: The Koran.”
Brigitte Gabriel

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
Ann Coulter

“Despite what they may say, Muslims are and have always been on a mission to conquer and kill infidels. They’ve been doing it for centuries and will continue until we’re all dead, or they’re all dead, or the world ends, whichever comes first. We need to get over ourselves and focus on stopping the spread of Islamofascism. Period.”
La Shawn Barber

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/if-2/

“Thousands of alienated young Muslims, most of them born and bred here but who regard themselves as an army within, are waiting for an opportunity to help to destroy the society that sustains them.”
Melanie Phillips

http://www.wright-house.com/religions/islam/britain-muslims.html

“Islamists have a global vision that requires control over non-Muslim countries too – and specifically the United States. Their universal ambitions certainly can be stopped, but first they must be understood and resisted. Only when Americans realize that the Islamists intend to replace the U.S. Constitution with Shariah will they enter the fourth and final era of this war.”
Daniel pipes

http://www.danielpipes.org/3026/bush-declares-war-on-radical-islam

“Disguised as religion, Islam has penetrated the democracies with the aim of replacing civility and liberty with the barbarism of theocracy and Sharia. Islam’s multi-prong attack aims to destroy all that liberty offers.
Presently, America is faced with a formidable enemy in a Trojan horse called Islam. This imminent danger makes it imperative to revisit the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and make the necessary changes to legally defeat Islam’s subversion of the democratic system.
Steadfastly confronting Islam is the only way to defeat a fanatical enemy who does not believe in negotiation or compromise. For Islam, it is winner take all.
Islam must be recognized for what it is: a Trojan horse carrying in its belly what will assuredly slaughter all who stand for everything that is precious to free people.”
Amil Imani

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.5482/pub_detail.asp

It cannot be doubted the our Norwegian felt that he had no option but to take up arms and trigger a revolution he believed would save Europe from terrorism. Yet it is interesting that the only terrorism…threat he seems to see is Islam, yet terrorism is rife in Europe. In our final chapter we will discuss how terrorism has been regionalized.

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